Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2002/05/31

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Subject: RE: [Leica] Re: New Street Photos from Hanoi.
From: "B. D. Colen" <>
Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 16:01:18 -0400

I don't think that the "nots" do better than those folks, but the "don't
have muches" do. ;-)

B. D.

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[]On Behalf Of Andrew
Sent: Friday, May 31, 2002 3:52 PM
Subject: Re: [Leica] Re: New Street Photos from Hanoi.

My guess is that the have nots in the U.S., for the most part, do better
than the  middle class in most countries, especially current and former
Communist and Socialist countries.
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From: "Matthew Powell" <>
To: <>
Sent: Friday, May 31, 2002 3:15 PM
Subject: Re: [Leica] Re: New Street Photos from Hanoi.

> 'Tis my last post on this unless we move it to the LUGForum
> On Friday, May 31, 2002, at 06:35 AM, Darrell Jennings wrote:
> > Communism is jut Nazism done in the name of "the
> > people" which is total bullshit since it is always
> > really done in the name of a charasmatic leader
> > (Stalin, Mao, Castro, etc.).
> "Communism" is a very diverse ideology these days - and you'll find a
> number of true Marxist throwbacks who oppose the authoritarian varieties
> as much as anyone. And most socialists have rejected the USSR for
> decades - starting with Debs in 1919 and continuing on.
> The other is that while Stalinist Communism and Nazism are both
> authoritarian and nationalist in nature, Nazism drew its support from
> the capitalists and industrialists of the mid-war period, because it
> strove to give them more power.
> > Capitalism is far from perfect (but then so are we
> > humans), but it at least leverages motivated self
> > interest which is human nature. Any system that
> > ignores that is clueless.
> Why is "motivated self interest" associated only with "capitalism"? If
> you live in a vaguely communal society, what's good for you is good for
> the entirety of society and vice versa.
> The true problem with capitalism is that it creates to classes of
> people - the haves and the have-nots. You see it everyday here in the
> States, people living on the streets. But on a larger level, it's the
> wealth of the first-world against the abject poverty of the third.
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