Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2002/05/14
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]Thanks, Sonny - I shudder at your "bending," but appreciate the thoughtful post...And a Peabody? Boy, am I impressed! (And everyone else here should be as well!:-)) B. D. - -----Original Message----- From: owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us [mailto:owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us]On Behalf Of (SonC) Sonny Carter Sent: Monday, May 13, 2002 9:51 PM To: leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us Subject: Re: [Leica] Re: Photoshop dilemma - ----- Original Message ----- From: "B. D. Colen" <bdcolen@earthlink.net> To: <leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us> Sent: Monday, May 13, 2002 7:52 PM Subject: RE: [Leica] Re: Photoshop dilemma > Actually, there are many people who do not consider Jerry a photographer - > they consider him an artist who uses photography in creating his imaginative > images. Were this not so, Jerry would not have to argue so loudly, as he > does, that he is a photographer. > > And Sonny was NOT putting up that image as his latest photograph - he was > putting it up to show what neat things he could do with Photoshop - BIG > difference. > > Sonny, are you there? > > B. D. For those who have been trying to follow this thread, and lost the URL of the picture in discussion, here it is: http://www.geebeephoto.com/html/photoshop_1.html (One of my pet peeves on this list is people talking about a picture without referring to the url) Yes, I am here, and happy to report that Graham and I have been quite interested in this collaboration, and the intelligent thread that has followed. Photoshop is fun, it is powerful, and can present remarkable results. That I have an opportunity everyday to work with it professionally gives me an advantage, and a slightly different take than most who use it for smaller tasks than I need. I did the original artwork kind of as a lark. I do consider it Photoshop art, though the donor shots were brilliantly executed by GeeBee. It is so much easier to do this work when I have excellent photos to work from. Graham was reluctant to post this, but we thought it mught engender an interesting thread, so we collaborated on the links. Usually, I present my pictures very straight. I may do a little PS to get rid of a tiny thing like a surveyor's stake in a field. I do not consider that an alteration, anymore than blotting out a zit on a teenager's portrait. Interestingly, to me, the issue of combining two shots from the same location (like this one did) has far less ethical issues than some of the cover art I see on magazines daily. I thought the shot of the antique caravan had merit, but it needed people. Graham's shot peering into the steam engine is a universal image, but the background was full of distraction. They were both shot twenty feet apart. Why not combine them for a real flavour of the transportation expo? So, that's what we did. Illustration? yes. Montage? yes. Would you use it on a promo for the transport show? I think Yes. Photograph? I'm starting to bend on this one. After all, my biggest award was a Peabody, not a Pulitzer, and we all know that that is for entertainment, not Journalism. Regards, Sonny http://www.sonc.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us > [mailto:owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us]On Behalf Of Darrell > Jennings > Sent: Monday, May 13, 2002 7:38 PM > To: leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us > Subject: RE: [Leica] Re: Photoshop dilemma > > > I see no difference between what Sonny did in his > picture and what Jerry Uelsmann does with his except > that one is done in the dark room, and one is done on > a computer. I believe most would agree that Jerry is a > photographer. I think that if the elements you use > are photographic elements that originally came from a > camera it is a photograph. > > --- "B. D. Colen" <bdcolen@earthlink.net> wrote: > > > > > > Once the one-for-one is lost I contend that the > > final work is no longer a > > photograph. It's something else: a graphic art > > perhaps. > > > > Adam > > > > -- > > Bingo! > > > > > > -- > > To unsubscribe, see > http://mejac.palo-alto.ca.us/leica-users/unsub.html > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience > http://launch.yahoo.com > -- > To unsubscribe, see http://mejac.palo-alto.ca.us/leica-users/unsub.html > > -- > To unsubscribe, see http://mejac.palo-alto.ca.us/leica-users/unsub.html - -- To unsubscribe, see http://mejac.palo-alto.ca.us/leica-users/unsub.html - -- To unsubscribe, see http://mejac.palo-alto.ca.us/leica-users/unsub.html