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Subject: RE: [Leica] Epson 2000P, An update and another ?
From: Darrell Jennings <darrell_jennings@yahoo.com>
Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 18:55:08 -0700 (PDT)

I am interested in the archival quality for several
reasons. 
1. I frame and hang quite a few photos. While I could
reprint and swap out the photos if they fade, I'd
rather not. 
2. If I sell someone a photo, I'd like to know that it
would last approximately as long as a wet dark room
image. 
3. Someone in my family may want some of these shots
after I am gone, and I'd like them to be able to do
that without reprinting. 

I had heard to expect at least a 70 year life out of
the Epson printers and materials. I'd like it to be
longer, but I'll take what I can get. 

- --- "B. D. Colen" <bdcolen@earthlink.net> wrote:
> The first and most important question may be "what
> do YOU mean by archival,
> and why?"
> 
> Prior to the advent of digital printing no one was
> wasting a great deal of
> time yapping about archival this and archival that;
> some prints held up,
> some didn't. Now that we're talking about digital
> media, everyone is going
> nuts over the archival question - apparently
> forgetting that the wonderful
> thing about digital output is that once you've
> gotten the image you want, if
> something happens to the print you just push a
> button and get another.;-)
> 
> I use Cone quadtone inks and Epson Archival Matte
> paper - which I like. I
> have no idea what the longevity of the prints is,
> but I suspect that my
> prints will certainly outlive me - I'm 55.
> 
> Check with Cone - www.inkjetmall.com for answers to
> your longevity
> questions.
> 
> B. D.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us
> [mailto:owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us]On
> Behalf Of Darrell
> Jennings
> Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2002 1:40 PM
> To: leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us
> Subject: RE: [Leica] Epson 2000P, An update and
> another ?
> 
> 
> Very good point.  Are their inks/papers that are
> better than what Epson offers for archival purposes?
> I would be interested in how well they render Blank
> and White photos, also in paper finish...I noted
> that
> Epson only offers Matte finish archival paper, I
> prefer glossy.
> 
> Finally what do you mean by archival?  I think Epson
> quotes 70 years... Is there something as good or
> better?
> 
> I also have seen many on the list mention having to
> clean heads on the printers.  I've not had to do
> this
> with my HP.  Is this an issue unique to Epson, or
> simply the way most good printers work?
> 
> Sorry for the 20 questions above, but there is a lot
> to cover on this.  DJ
> --- "B. D. Colen" <bdcolen@earthlink.net> wrote:
> > One of the things that seems to be going on here
> is
> > that people are talking
> > about two very different things, and one group is
> > unaware that there are two
> > conversations going on:
> >
> > Both groups use or want to use Epson printers, but
> > one group takes its
> > printers out of their boxes, inserts Epson
> > cartridges, installs the
> > printers, and prints images; the other group is
> > using those same printers
> > with third party inks and software - they may be
> > called Epson printers, but
> > in terms of their function and output, they aren't
> > Epson printers.
> >
> > So when you talk about archival inks, print
> > longevity, print time, output
> > resolution, etc., you have to know which group you
> > are communicating with.
> >
> >
> > B. D.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us
> > [mailto:owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us]On
> > Behalf Of Darrell
> > Jennings
> > Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2002 12:48 PM
> > To: leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us
> > Subject: Re: [Leica] Epson 2000P, An update and
> > another ?
> >
> >
> > I'm not sure if I am looking at the same printer,
> > but
> > in viewing the Epson web site, the 3000 has a list
> > price of $995 (seems like a refurbished machine
> > would
> > be a lot less than $900 if we are talking about
> the
> > same machine), and does not say that it accepts
> > archival inks.  It also is only a four color vs.
> six
> > for the 2000.  Am I looking at the one you are
> > referring to?  Any thoughts on how the four vs.
> six
> > (or now with the 2200, seven) color machines work?
> >
> >
> > --- Andrew Moore <dmm@bronze.lcs.mit.edu> wrote:
> > >
> > > > >A question for all.  Does anyone other than
> > Epson
> > > make
> > > > >a high quality archival printer for under
> $2000
> > > that
> > > > >makes prints of at least 11X14?
> > > >
> > > > Jon Cone has said that the 3000 is the perfect
> > > printer for Piezography.  It
> > > > is a big, workhorse of a printer and can do
> > prints
> > > larger than 11x14.  I
> > > > bought my two refurbished on EBay for $900
> > apiece
> > > and have never had any
> > > > problems with either one.  They have huge ink
> > > cartridges so you don't need
> > > > the Continuous Ink System.  All kinds of
> > archival
> > > inks in both black and
> > > > white and color are available for the 3000.
> > >
> > > I finally decided on the 3000 mainly due to the
> > > larger format (it will
> > > print full 16 x 21 (i.e. none of that space
> taken
> > up
> > > by white borders),
> > > and as tina mentioned the big cartridges are
> nice.
> > > I was also glad to see
> > > that the cartridges are individual ones, not one
> > > conglomerate cartridge
> > > containing all four colors.  That way when one
> > color
> > > runs out I'm not
> > > forced to throw all of them away together.
> > >
> > > Now I'm just awaiting the correct piezo CD --
> > should
> > > arrive today -- (they
> > > sent me the wrong one) and I'll finish up the
> > > tests/flushing/etc. and
> > > tonight I'll hopefully run my first print.
> > >
> > > Clear some space on the desktop; the printer is
> > just
> > > over 2.5 feet wide!
> > >
> > > I've heard complaints about the "pizza wheel
> > tracks"
> > > and the mechanism
> > > that feeds the paper through (sometimes doesn't
> > push
> > > it through very well
> > > and as a result the image gets compressed a bit)
> > --
> > > but I have yet to
> > > determine if this is myth or reality.  Pizza
> wheel
> > > problem is easy to fix
> > > (remove them, plenty docs on the net about
> this).
> > >
> > >
> > >
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