Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2002/05/09
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]I am interested in the archival quality for several reasons. 1. I frame and hang quite a few photos. While I could reprint and swap out the photos if they fade, I'd rather not. 2. If I sell someone a photo, I'd like to know that it would last approximately as long as a wet dark room image. 3. Someone in my family may want some of these shots after I am gone, and I'd like them to be able to do that without reprinting. I had heard to expect at least a 70 year life out of the Epson printers and materials. I'd like it to be longer, but I'll take what I can get. - --- "B. D. Colen" <bdcolen@earthlink.net> wrote: > The first and most important question may be "what > do YOU mean by archival, > and why?" > > Prior to the advent of digital printing no one was > wasting a great deal of > time yapping about archival this and archival that; > some prints held up, > some didn't. Now that we're talking about digital > media, everyone is going > nuts over the archival question - apparently > forgetting that the wonderful > thing about digital output is that once you've > gotten the image you want, if > something happens to the print you just push a > button and get another.;-) > > I use Cone quadtone inks and Epson Archival Matte > paper - which I like. I > have no idea what the longevity of the prints is, > but I suspect that my > prints will certainly outlive me - I'm 55. > > Check with Cone - www.inkjetmall.com for answers to > your longevity > questions. > > B. D. > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us > [mailto:owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us]On > Behalf Of Darrell > Jennings > Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2002 1:40 PM > To: leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us > Subject: RE: [Leica] Epson 2000P, An update and > another ? > > > Very good point. Are their inks/papers that are > better than what Epson offers for archival purposes? > I would be interested in how well they render Blank > and White photos, also in paper finish...I noted > that > Epson only offers Matte finish archival paper, I > prefer glossy. > > Finally what do you mean by archival? I think Epson > quotes 70 years... Is there something as good or > better? > > I also have seen many on the list mention having to > clean heads on the printers. I've not had to do > this > with my HP. Is this an issue unique to Epson, or > simply the way most good printers work? > > Sorry for the 20 questions above, but there is a lot > to cover on this. DJ > --- "B. D. Colen" <bdcolen@earthlink.net> wrote: > > One of the things that seems to be going on here > is > > that people are talking > > about two very different things, and one group is > > unaware that there are two > > conversations going on: > > > > Both groups use or want to use Epson printers, but > > one group takes its > > printers out of their boxes, inserts Epson > > cartridges, installs the > > printers, and prints images; the other group is > > using those same printers > > with third party inks and software - they may be > > called Epson printers, but > > in terms of their function and output, they aren't > > Epson printers. > > > > So when you talk about archival inks, print > > longevity, print time, output > > resolution, etc., you have to know which group you > > are communicating with. > > > > > > B. D. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us > > [mailto:owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us]On > > Behalf Of Darrell > > Jennings > > Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2002 12:48 PM > > To: leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us > > Subject: Re: [Leica] Epson 2000P, An update and > > another ? > > > > > > I'm not sure if I am looking at the same printer, > > but > > in viewing the Epson web site, the 3000 has a list > > price of $995 (seems like a refurbished machine > > would > > be a lot less than $900 if we are talking about > the > > same machine), and does not say that it accepts > > archival inks. It also is only a four color vs. > six > > for the 2000. Am I looking at the one you are > > referring to? Any thoughts on how the four vs. > six > > (or now with the 2200, seven) color machines work? > > > > > > --- Andrew Moore <dmm@bronze.lcs.mit.edu> wrote: > > > > > > > >A question for all. Does anyone other than > > Epson > > > make > > > > >a high quality archival printer for under > $2000 > > > that > > > > >makes prints of at least 11X14? > > > > > > > > Jon Cone has said that the 3000 is the perfect > > > printer for Piezography. It > > > > is a big, workhorse of a printer and can do > > prints > > > larger than 11x14. I > > > > bought my two refurbished on EBay for $900 > > apiece > > > and have never had any > > > > problems with either one. They have huge ink > > > cartridges so you don't need > > > > the Continuous Ink System. All kinds of > > archival > > > inks in both black and > > > > white and color are available for the 3000. > > > > > > I finally decided on the 3000 mainly due to the > > > larger format (it will > > > print full 16 x 21 (i.e. none of that space > taken > > up > > > by white borders), > > > and as tina mentioned the big cartridges are > nice. > > > I was also glad to see > > > that the cartridges are individual ones, not one > > > conglomerate cartridge > > > containing all four colors. That way when one > > color > > > runs out I'm not > > > forced to throw all of them away together. > > > > > > Now I'm just awaiting the correct piezo CD -- > > should > > > arrive today -- (they > > > sent me the wrong one) and I'll finish up the > > > tests/flushing/etc. and > > > tonight I'll hopefully run my first print. > > > > > > Clear some space on the desktop; the printer is > > just > > > over 2.5 feet wide! > > > > > > I've heard complaints about the "pizza wheel > > tracks" > > > and the mechanism > > > that feeds the paper through (sometimes doesn't > > push > > > it through very well > > > and as a result the image gets compressed a bit) > > -- > > > but I have yet to > > > determine if this is myth or reality. Pizza > wheel > > > problem is easy to fix > > > (remove them, plenty docs on the net about > this). > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > To unsubscribe, see > > > http://mejac.palo-alto.ca.us/leica-users/unsub.html > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Shopping - Mother's Day is May 12th! > > http://shopping.yahoo.com > > -- > > To unsubscribe, see > > > http://mejac.palo-alto.ca.us/leica-users/unsub.html > > > > -- > > To unsubscribe, see > http://mejac.palo-alto.ca.us/leica-users/unsub.html > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Shopping - Mother's Day is May 12th! > http://shopping.yahoo.com > -- > To unsubscribe, see > http://mejac.palo-alto.ca.us/leica-users/unsub.html > > -- > To unsubscribe, see http://mejac.palo-alto.ca.us/leica-users/unsub.html __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! 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