Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2002/04/08

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Subject: Re: [Leica] RE: digital grain
From: "\(SonC\) Sonny Carter" <sonc@sonc.com>
Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 19:20:21 -0500
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020408180612.022d2c50@infoave.net> <5.1.0.14.2.20020408162443.06542410@pop.alink.net>

Hah! unsharp rapping!

Regards,
Sonny


- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Brick" <jim@brick.org>
To: <leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us>; <leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us>
Sent: Monday, April 08, 2002 6:37 PM
Subject: [Leica] RE: digital grain


> The way you do it in film, using an enlarger, is rap your enlarger head
> with your hand during your exposure. The enlarger must shake for roughly
> 10% to 20% of the total exposure. This is called "shaking the grain out."
>
> And as soon as you stop laughing... this is no joke!
>
> The exposure is long enough for the sharp image to register but the edge
is
> taken off of that oh so gritty grain. It's like a Softar filter without
the
> filter. The image still looks sharp but the fine detail (grain edge
effect)
> is smoothed over.
>
> This is an old technique used back in the 20's and 30's. Maybe even the
> 40's. I learned about it while at Brooks Institute from Boris Dobro, an
old
> European (German I think) who was old when I was there in 1959-61. Maybe I
> was just young... 21.
>
> :)
>
> Jim
>
>
> At 03:40 PM 4/8/2002 -0700, Frank Filippone wrote:
> >Tina.. the grain is there in terms of Pixels... the difference is that
some
> >computer geek wrote an algorithm to smooth out the pixel info when
> >printing... you COULD do the same thing with film + scanner +
computer....
> >Film is inherently more detailed.  But it is not "geeked upon" so you see
> >the grain.
> >
> >I must say, that the real proof is your customer.  If he/she is happy,
that
> >is all that counts...no matter how you did the shot....
> >
> >Frank Filippone
> >red735i@earthlink.net
>
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In reply to: Message from Tina Manley <images@InfoAve.Net> (Re: [Leica] full time photogs)
Message from Jim Brick <jim@brick.org> ([Leica] RE: digital grain)