Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2002/02/02

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Subject: RE: [Leica] Re: winter in GA
From: "Austin Franklin" <darkroom@ix.netcom.com>
Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2002 19:42:36 -0500

Allan,

> There is nothing insulting in what I said.

Well, that's only an opinion, and others opinions differ from yours.

> What was asked was whether
> there was something to be learned from that site. I said, yes.

If that were all you said, no one else would have been "insulted".

> Some
> others became rabid in their disapproval.

And you don't think calling someone's remarks "rabid" is insulting?  If you
don't, you are wrong.  Somehow I think this isn't the first time someone has
told you that what you said (or wrote) was insulting...and that you didn't
see it that way...

> Disapproval of what? The
> style? They were not asked about the style,

So what if someone didn't ask about the style?  That doesn't mean others
can't express their like or dislike of the style!

> Why the emotions?

I would say you're the one who started the "emotions".  What is the big deal
with someone saying they don't like that style?  As you say "so what"?

> It was a simple question. So
> what,

The comments had nothing to do with the question.  You apparently don't get
that.  Is there some rule that people can't express their opinions, and that
those opinions have to be solicited by direct question?

> Franklin gets insulted?

My first name is Austin, Franklin in my last name.  I would appreciate if
you address me by my first name.  And yes I was insulted, because your
comments certainly could be take as being insulting.

> There is nothing to be insulted about.

That's only YOUR opinion.  Again, telling people they are "venting" when
they are not (and "rabid" in this post of yours!), much less "venting
hatred" when there was clearly none expressed (and again, these are YOUR
emotions, not anyone else's...you are the one who apparently got defensive
and "personal" about this), and then claiming that "it is due to lack of
formal training", though you did say "you think", and clearly that is your
opinion, but that doesn't mean it isn't  presumptuous, as well as insulting
(plus a few other things).  Even if I say "I think [someone] is an idiot",
that certainly would be insulting...and I'm not saying you or anyone else is
[an idiot], it's just an example.

You made up things that clearly weren't said and criticized people for
expressing their opinion of the images and style.  NO ONE that I read
criticized YOU or the author of the web site.  Please go back and re-read
the posts before responding, I think you need to get a clear head as to what
was actually said.  Better yet, just drop it.

Austin

> Allan
>
>
> On Saturday, February 2, 2002, at 09:33 AM, Austin Franklin wrote:
>
> >
> >> I think that some of the hatred you hear
> >> vented against it is due to lack of formal training by the ventees.
> >
> > That's really quite insulting.  No one said the lighting was bad at
> > all.  I
> > believe most people don't like THAT "style" (I know I don't), and that
> > has
> > nothing to do with lack of formal training.  BTW, I have had a LOT of
> > "formal" training (though NOT in "brown" portraiture), and have a LOT of
> > personal experience (none in "brown" portraiture).  Neither of those
> > make or
> > break what I think of those shots.
> >
> > Austin

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