Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2002/01/28

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Subject: RE: [Leica] Taking Photos in Starbucks
From: "B. D. Colen" <>
Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 13:35:51 -0500

That previous post wasn't meant to be combative or sound like a wiseass
response.;-) I, too, find the situation pretty outrageous, but I think it
really is a pretty typical corporate policy and 'property rights thing'

BTW - When I was out your way last August, I spent part of a day trailing a
couple of women and their kids around some huge mall you have out there
outside Portland town. (It was a corporate assignment and they had agreed to
have me spend the day with them). Anyway, I shot in the food court, I shot
in a bunch of different stores, and the only place that gave me a hassle -
as in saying 'you can't shoot in here' - was a GAP. In a couple of other
places people asked what I was doing, and when one of my subjects said,
'oh, he's photographing me,' I was left alone. I think, in retrospect, that
I was really lucky I didn't have a lot more problems than I did, given
everything that has been posted here from time to time about the
difficulties of mall shooting.

B. D.

- -----Original Message-----
[]On Behalf Of B. D. Colen
Sent: Monday, January 28, 2002 1:26 PM
Subject: RE: [Leica] Taking Photos in Starbucks

Mark - I'm not a lawyer, but I play one on the LUG...
...I don't believe that they have to show anyone squat - all they have to
say is 'you can't take photos here.' It is their store. It is private
property. You basically check your rights at the door. Unfortunately.

B. D.

- -----Original Message-----
[]On Behalf Of Mark Cohen
Sent: Monday, January 28, 2002 12:33 PM
Subject: RE: [Leica] Taking Photos in Starbucks

Im more of a peets kind of guy, but corporate shooting is pretty much
the same everywhere..

You can't go into a supermarket here with a camera and not have a geeky
looking store manager with nothing better to do than harass you about
taking pictures in a store tell you to stop or leave. I personally like
to fill my cart up, get ready to leave anyway and start shooting away..
Even get a few pictures of the manager :) That way you get an action
shot of him telling you to leave. *Then they get to put away all of
those groceries you had in your cart.. :) *Even the deli stuff that you
had cut specifically for you!*

After doing time in art school, where we had _many_ classes on
photography, rights and responsibilities, I learned that they can't
really make you stop, all they can do is call the cops on you. Since you
bought a cup of coffee, you aren't loitering and they won't really do
anything to you. You then speak out telling people in the store about
how Starbucks is infringing on your right to make art.

Sometimes, I ask to see a copy of the corporate policy.. If there is
such a thing, they have to show it to you in writing. In fact I believe
that they have to post a sign somewhere about such a policy.

Anyway, Im off my soap box...

- -Mark

- -----Original Message-----
[] On Behalf Of Don
Sent: Monday, January 28, 2002 8:20 AM
Subject: [Leica] Taking Photos in Starbucks

I stopped by my local Starbucks this morning to grab a coffee and scone.
While waiting in line, I took a quick photo of the expresso operator at
work just using up a roll of film so I could process it tonight.
The line still had several people in front of me so I began looking
around for another photo with the M6 in my hands. Then the manager
caught my attention and said 'you can't take pictures in here'. No
problem, but is this a new Starbucks policy or is a franchise
prerogative? I have taken photos in there before with no comment.


> This week I started out working with the 15mm and working really
> close.  The first image is in a Starbucks in Buckhead.  This is a
> great place, about three minutes before I took this shot Governor
> Barnes and his wife had stopped in for some espresso, no hassle, no
> one notices, life goes on.

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