Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2001/11/14

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Subject: Re: [Leica] hopefully no suprises and disappointment
From: "Mārtiņš Zelmenis" <martin@lrpv.lv>
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 08:51:29 +0200

A little OT explanation.
I feel a little uncomfortable in just writing these emails, and not posting
any pictures, but I have to rely on my friends' resources as it's not likely
I am to acquire a scanner in due time. And their scanners are busy with
preparations for Xmas. I may have stated this already, but I am doing this
again because I feel as uncomfortable about this as before - and am trying
to solve this.

Martin



>Guy - you are right -


Thanks.


>but the _missing link_ are the supposedly _arty_ photos themselves. So it
is
>both difficult - and useless - to discuss some person's work that's not
seen
>by anybody!


Of course, you are right here, only I wasn't talking about his work, but
about critical writings on photography in general, which was the subject of
the post I was responding to. (See below.)


[snip]


>And in the meantime sooooo much crap is being presented
>as art today


My feeling is that it was probably never any different, with respect to any
of the arts. We have the luxury of time - we only see the work that has
endured. All of the "chaff" produced at the same time has faded into
obscurity.


- - just because we know we have to be tolerant towards the so
>called _self expression_


I don't believe this is the case either. Weak work is weak work, however
"expressive" it may be.


>Martin


Guy


>>>Speaking about your work is very important in the art world.
>>
>>It's a disease. They take very literally the old adage that a picture is
>>worth a thousand
>>words. Usually the artistic merit is inversely proportional to the amount
>>of words used
>>to describe it. Try reading modern art criticism. I gave up after I
>>misplaced my secret
>>decoder ring.
>>Robert
>
>>Robert, you said it better than I ever could have....the "criticism" you
>>describe
>>is more university-sponsored pseudo-intellectual PC speak....Jeezus, I
>never
>>took Orwell literally 'til the 90s.......
>>Best to U and URS,
>>Walt
>
>
>Are you guys saying that there should not be any critical discourse about
>photography or art, or just not the complicated kind?
>
>Should we just stick to: "I like it." "Boy that's neat." "I don't
>understand it." "That's crap." etc.?
>
>Or should we just not talk about it at all?
>
>While there is a lot of uninspired and overly academic art/photography
>criticism out there, there are also well written, thought provoking studies
>of art and photography that we can learn a lot from, if we're willing to
>make the effort to actually read and understand them, and maybe even
>discuss them with other people.
>
>You guys seem to have a "point and shoot" attitude with respect to talking
>about art/photography: the less we have to think and say about it the
>better. Anything requiring study and thought is too intellectual, academic,
>unnecessarily complex, etc.
>
>Believe me, I am no fan of conventional academic prose styles, having
>slogged through years of it in college. As a photographer, however, I'm
>interested in reading what others - both photographers and critics - have
>to say about this activity. If nothing else, it only broadens my
>appreciation and understanding of photography and gives me something to
>think about, even if I disagree with it. To limit myself to the exchange of
>evaluative opinions is, well, too limiting.
>
>Guy
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