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Subject: Fw: [Leica] Two more scans (Oh no!)
From: "SonC \(Sonny Carter\)" <sonc@gmx.net>
Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 11:23:43 -0500

(Sorry if this posts twice, but I think it may have bounced the first
time)

 George,
   I am glad to see you are putting up more scans.  Nothing improves a
 photographer's work more than showing it to others, even if the
 feedback is sometimes sparse.  I've found that sometimes you don't
 agree with the criticisms, but it makes you think about why you
don't.

 A couple of thoughts about the Soapstone Valley, and these are newly
 acquired prejudices (postjudices?).  A picture like this can always
be
 improved by the inclusion of people, or animals, or anything except
 plain old scenery.   I have hundreds of recordings of "what man or
God
 hath wrought," but when you get down to it, after the angle has been
 chosen, there is no decisive moment that makes the picture great.

 Soapstone Valley has no context to me.  I really am not sure what I
am
 looking at.  The tones seem ok, but I am not primarily a Black and
 white guy, so I can only go by my subjective feelings.

 The truck is terrific, but I REALLY want to see the whole truck.   My
 grandfather had one just like it, except his was red (I think this
one
 is not red, right?) The picture brought back memories of riding
 through the hills on rural North Louisiana on our way to go fishing.
 David Webb's Ford was never that shiny, it always had a thin layer of
 red clay dust on it.   The picture could be improved hugely with the
 inclusion of people.   It is clearly someone's pride.   Even a posed
 shot would have made this a wonderful picture.  I know you said it
was
 a grab shot, but if a shot is worth taking and showing, then it is
 worth reconsidering, and working on a little bit.

 Finally, the bread shot.  This does appear to be a difficult printing
 job.  It would give trouble in Photoshop or a darkroom.  As far as
 Piezo as a savior, I haven't a clue.   My thoughts on the shot is
that
 the mixer and things around give clues to what the shot is about, but
 it does not say "BREAD" to me.   Too much ceiling and too little
bread
 is shown.  A lower angle with lots of product would do the trick
here.

 Since you mentioned the controversial pinhole shot, I'll comment on
it
 too.  I once had a contract  with a real estate firm to shoot the
 pictures that appeared in their ads in the newspaper.   The goal was
 to show the building.  When the minilabs came to town, they did not
 renew my contract, because they could give agents point-and-shoot
 cameras  and realize their goal.   Your pinhole picture looked like
 those real estate agents' efforts.  I guess the direction I'm headed
 with this, is that if you want to experiment with pinhole, show us
 something that makes the pinhole picture different.

 What makes a photographer good, (as the saying goes, "I know good
when
 I see it,") is the ability to throw away pictures.   I'm getting more
 and more ruthless with my pictures, and if I don't love mine, people
 don't see them, that is not a criteria for quality photography, but I
 get lots more good comments that way.

 Finally, the effort you expend to make or print a photograph is
 totally unimportant to how good it is.  There comes a time when you
 have the skill to do it, the light is right, you have the right film,
 and you are in the right place, and you choose the right moment to
 push the button.     The amazing thing is, that the more you push
that
 button, the more good pictures you'll come up with.

 Hope these comments help.

 Regards,
 Sonny
 http://www.sonc.com



 George said:
> > I probably wouldn't want to put up more scans if all I had to go
on
> > was the discussion here, but as many of you know there's more
> > going on than that! In particular I'd like to thank the several
> hundred
> > people who took time to look at my Soapstone Valley scan, posted
> > about ten minutes after the controversial Leica pinhole shot, even
> > though -- rather surprisingly I thought-- nobody had anything to
say
> > about the latter.
>
> >
> > The two new scans:
> >
> > http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=346741
> >
> > and
> >
> > http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=346720
> >
>
>