Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2001/05/30

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Subject: Re: [Leica] my B&W gallery for you to see
From: Andrew Schroter <>
Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 17:28:03 -0700
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Photopoint is one of a number of sites that provide free storage and
presentation services of photos (Zing, MSN, Yahoo, Worldnet, Mystic, ad
nauseum).  Part of their revenue stream (which includes advertising) that
supports them is the revenue from the printing and delivery of photos.

The photographer exchanges the service they receive (free storage and
presentation services) for the right to receive revenues from printing of
the photos.  The photographer receives no share of the printing revenue.  I
liken it to Napster where unknown rock bands and other musicians make their
music available for free in the hopes of getting enough interest that a
music publishing company will contract them for albums.    For us who do not
wish to undertake the work of creating and maintaining web sites, these
companies provide an easy and convenient means for photographers to make
their work available to their friends.  I will often use the password
protection facility provided by Zing to keep albums out of the public eye.

From Zing's agreement:

 "With regard to material you include in a public album, you grant a
non-exclusive, world-wide, royalty free license to modify, publish and
reproduce said material solely for the purpose of displaying, distributing
and promoting the Zing."

From PhotoPoint's Terms of Agreement:

 "You agree to grant to PhotoPoint a non-exclusive, worldwide, royalty-free,
perpetual license, with the right to sublicense, to reproduce, distribute,
transmit, create derivative works of, publicly display and publicly perform
any Content you submit to the Site by all means and in any media now known
or hereafter developed.

PhotoPoint offers a variety of services on the Site, including e-greetings
and a number of other products that can be personalized by the user with
photo images selected from PhotoPoint stock photos, from members' own
albums, as well as from other members' albums that are accessible to such
member or on any public portion of the Site. The license granted by you to
PhotoPoint expressly includes PhotoPoint's right to offer these services
without compensating you for any use that is made of your photo images."

Photopoint's terms give them broader rights.  If you think of Korda's Che
Guevara photo, PhotoPoints terms give them broad rights to benefit from an
image that gains broad appeal.

I have a number of albums at (id Andrew_s01), some of which are
public (Brazil and Costa Rica vacations).  Zing provides the added service
of copyright notices for my photos.  What I'm concerned about is what
exposure do photographers have if one takes a candid street photo if the web
photo site publishes it in some way?

Andy Schroter
- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark Rabiner" <>
To: <>
Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2001 12:30 PM
Subject: Re: [Leica] my B&W gallery for you to see

> akkas wrote:
> >
> > i would like to hear some comments about my photos taken in mostly
> > istanbul and small villages at the syria border.
> > you can see them at :
> >
> >
> Real Nice work but mixed feelings about the check box at the top of each
> to order prints
>    Print Prices:
>    3.5x5 prints = $0.66
>    4x6 prints = $0.49
>    5x7 prints = $0.99
>    8x10 prints = $2.99
>    11x14 prints = $4.99
> but then shipping is 2 bucks. Is that per print?
> To see work of this high quality sold like this I find very disconcerting
for a
> whole number of reasons.
> You and the practice of photography itself deserves better.
> I remains to be seen how much the internet craps all over the professional
> practice of photography.
> This is not encouraging.
> Mark Rabiner
> Portland, Oregon

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