Re: [Leica] batting for stanislaw

["Dan Post" <dpost@triad.rr.com>]

Stan da Man-
Good point(s)!
Say "AMEN", SOMEBODY!
Dan
- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Stanislaw Stawowy" <watteau@email.com>
To: <leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us>
Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2001 7:37 PM
Subject: Re: [Leica] batting for stanislaw


> > Yeah, but would Stanislow give something for Americans
> > orphans?????
> 
> Romanian orphans are a little closer...
> 
> 
> ........Sorry just a little tongue in cheek there.......I
> > couldn't care less how Stan uses the word "gay"....., so
> lets drop that
> 
> So why you are mentioning this? BTW: I wouldn't go as far as
> to question *your* knowledge of Polish language, but, as for
> using interpunction (dots) your English leaes something to
> be desired.. :-)
> 
> >  but
> > what I didn't understand is that he was so quick to
> stereotype > an American as  being rude
> 
> PLEASE look at my usual signature (not now as i am writing
> from another account, but check archives). Also, what else
> could I do after reading *every* Noam Chomsky writing????
> :-)
> I don't stereotype. I am trying to make people notice my
> point of view. And there is nothing better when it comes to
> make someone notice your point of view than prying his heart
> out and cutting off his head? :-)
> Major issue is the fact that many things which weren't
> present in Western culture are spoken here as facts. E.G.
> when it comes to flirting with women coming to LUG. This was
> present in Western culture since time of trouvers/troubadurs
> but now I see than saying *hello* in customized way
> *because* you are saying it to woman is a major and
> inexcusable fault and should be punished up to and including
> electrical chair. Also: speaking about money was always
> perceived in more educated part of Western ociety as a major
> faux pass but on LUG I saw at least one thread about
> selling/fraud, full of statements which resembles a
> banquer's speech. Personal attacks in public were always
> perceived as a sign of poor education and lack of manners,
> but I see them more and more frequently. And this is whad
> drives me sometimes insane, for what I would love to say
> sorry here.
> 
> .........that was very interesting..........My question is
> > "Why?"....Does he know many Americans?.......i.e. Has he
> been to America at
> > any time? And where?
> 
> Why not ask him?
> He was singing in Krakovian Philharmonic Hall when he was a
> boy. Through years, he visited some distant countries, like
> United States - where he was singing Penderecki's 'Passio et
> Mors Domini Nostri Iesu Christi..' and 'Utreniya' in
> philharmonic hall you can easily guess... He was even
> enoughly quick to sing once under Karajan till his death (a
> major loss IHHO) He also visited Japan this time and,
> despite his good experiences from there, e still makes
> insane comments on streetphoto group, to which Alex Shinshin
> always reply with angel-like kindness :-) He has many
> friends from LUG both in U.S. and Canada. Yes, he spent
> total over 7 months in U.S. but yes, he was disappointed. He
> saw thousands of cars where people should walk, thousands of
> TV sets where people should talk, thousands of people so
> lonely that almost crazy of it. He was told that America is
> a paradise and found something so different!.. Now he is
> slowly trying to understand them and do so with grace,
> despite things like "Polish Jokes" and other stupid things
> he begs to forget..
> 
> > I  think Stan should think before he speaks because while
> > I am not a sensitive  person, I think his "off the cuff"
> > comment about Americans was a bit out of
> > line.
> 
> Uhm.. There are no trials for "sexual harassment" of this
> kind in other parts of the world. There is no prescribed
> percentage of dark-or-yellow skinned students in other parts
> of the world. There is no fences to deny homeless to sleep
> in heating tunnels.
> U.S. is only country to which I still have to wait a month
> for a visas and approvements to go to; every other country I
> can visit with passport. There is no such a social anger to
> poor and homeless people in other parts of the world. People
> from Poland never go to church just to make shoots with
> flash and talk VERY LOUDLY and thats what I see in Krakow
> and Vienna....
> 
> > Believe me, I'm sure there is some Americans on this list
> that > could  come up things about Poles or British,
> Italians,
> > French or anyone else for  that matter.
> 
> and do it. check archives.
> 
> > We all have things  about our country or fellow
> > countrymen that  we are not proud of
> 
> Just a half year ago we heard about crime in Jedwabne, where
> Polish farmers burned out a house with over 1000 Jews
> inside. This changed my view, as many Polish people were
> hiding Jews in time of Nazi occupation, despite it was
> punishable by death. Every nation has his own share of
> things he wants to hide, but Poland, fortunately, isn't
> painting itself as a "First Nation" nor didn't act like a
> crime state, ignoring ONZ....
> 
> > So I guess what I am trying to say is....this list is
> > for us to learn not about how ignorant we can all be, so
> lets
> > keep the  comments to a bare minimum and talk about
> > Leicas.......Fantastic!!!!!!!!!
> 
> Good idea. But please notice that LUG is a couple of very
> colourful persons and famous brilliant taste of LUG is where
> these persnalities hit each other. Unfortunately sometimes
> it comes out of control, so this group would be undoubtely
> enlightened by some fresh blood. So why you are just lurking
> and never write? We would lov to hear your words and never
> ever repeat common between Internet oldtimers opinions about
> people using AOL... :-)
> 
> --St.
> (yes, he)
> 
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