Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2000/11/26
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]Dear listers, from an "outsider:; I am fairly new to this list. I enjoy it a lot. You really are a polite group with just a couple rough spots once in a while. I am glad to scan the posts and learn more. An Example To Make All Of Us Feel Better... I recently dropped off the VFR mailing list. It is a motorcycle mailing list for folks who own Honda VFR 'cycles. I dropped off because I got tired of EXTREME language, physical threats, one death threat, and LOTS of misinterpretation of comments among the listers. MANY of these guys seemed to have nothing better to do than write each day criticizing each other and making rude personal attacks re: each others posts. They were more intent on proving themselves right, and picking posts apart, than upon getting their bikes right and picking up information on bikes. I finally wrote off-line to the major offenders and online to the group that I didn't want this kind of abusive language and attitude coming into my home, AND where my daughter occasionally reads it ( she like motorcycles, too). I said I should not have to be forced off this public list because of the offensive behaviour of someone else... how would they like it if I gave the same kind of "f-----g k-ll you fagg-t" talk to one of their daughters, or them? I was overwhelmed by replies that I was a child abuser, that what I'd said was much worse than any of their comments... etc. etc. Needless to say I dropped off the list. THIS LIST IS NOWHERE THAT BAD. YOU ARE ALL GOOD GUYS :-) However, I miss the technical motorcycle chat, I miss the good comments by the wise ones. Too bad. I hope this list does not get to be like that. Thanks for policing yourselves. Thanks for being artists and scientists. Thanks for being adults. Thanks for using two ears, and only one mouth. Best regards, Dave in Edmonds (WA, USA) Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2000 20:07:28 -0700 From: "Roger Beamon" <roger@beamon.org> Subject: [Leica] Re: BE NICE!: Was Re: Mike Johnston's Rude Language And, there was no need to use the expletive that you did. It would have been enough to say "idiot" alone. I realize that the "F" word has been watered down through overuse by several generations, but it is still repulsive to many on the list, not to mention the ladies present. Don't get me wrong, I'm no prude, and use the word with abandon, but I was taught to respect the company I'm in, unless I know well what they will tolerate easily. Mother Roger is finished now. On 25 Nov 2000, Dante A Stella wrote, at least in part: > I think Mike might have gone a little over the top, but Erwin's > posts -- and this may be due to the way things come across in > English and in email -- are occasionally insensitive and > sometimes insulting. For example, the whole practice of > beginng a post with "Someone on this group > said/mentioned/opined" could come across, when put in email, > where inflection and expression are invisible, as "Some f-----g > idiot on this group dared to say something (I don't agree > with/Is so simple even an idiot should understand it/Is > intuitively obvious)." Sometimes it's not hard to see why > Mike may have gotten cheesed off. - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2000 20:21:25 -0700 From: "Roger Beamon" <roger@beamon.org> Subject: [Leica] RE: BE NICE!: What in the world is the matter with you overly sensitive people? Must you have language that makes you feel warm and fuzzy to have you pay attention to the content? Professorial types often are wrapped up in their field, and have little time for the social amenities. They aren't rude or impolite, in the slightest. They're merely on point and have a lot to impart. Listen to the content and work with the content, not how warmly it's presented. Yes, it is a lecture since he is the most learned in the subject on which he's lecturing. It's school again. Get used to it! On 25 Nov 2000, Austin Franklin wrote, at least in part: > > but Erwin's posts -- and > > this may be due to the way things come across in English and in > > email -- > are > > occasionally insensitive and sometimes insulting.