Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2000/11/22

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Subject: [Leica] Re: Persicopes (German, Brit & Sov) & Zeiss LTM Sonnar lens
From: "Doug Richardson" <doug@meditor.demon.co.uk>
Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 10:12:03 -0000
References: <200011220801.AAA13319@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us>

Marc James Small <msmall@roanoke.infi.net> wrote:

>What I do know is that Zeiss sells more submarine periscopes than the
rest of the Free World manufacturers do
combined.  With the sharp decline in submarine construction in the
past decade, this has been a sad development for Zeiss -- and the
Russians and Ukrainians are now picking up some of the reduced market,
as well.

Well Zeiss could always get out of the periscope business and go back
to making Leica thread-mount lenses!

The impression I get talking to guys from both companies (Pilkington
and Zeiss) was that they had fairly equivalent shares of the available
market, and that rather than sink funds into trying to match each
other's future developments in a limited market, it made more sense to
co-operate. The isea was that when a new requirement emerges, both
companies should look at it jointly, and decide whether that
requirement was best met by a UK or German periscope. That decision
taken, only one company would bid, and would then be able to draw upon
any technology from the other which could make his offering better.
For example, both companies have developed infra-red night-vision
channels, but had selected different wavebands. So a German scope
could be offered with a British IR channel if that would suit the
user's requirements better (or vice versa).

Curiously, both companies declined to comment on the differences
between their basic designs which would make them attractive to
individual perators, saying that to discuss this even in general terms
would involve classified informational or national submarine operating
doctrine and tactics.

Neither company considered the Russians or Ukranians to be significant
customers, although LOMO has been marketing its designs. Zeiss told me
they had been able to inspect the periscope of a Soviet-era submarine
(probably a Foxtrot-class) and the hardware was immediately recognised
by an 'old hand' at Zeiss - it turned out to be a near-identical copy
of a Zeiss WW2 design.

BTW, I recently bought a Leica thread mount 5cm f2 retractable
Sonnar - mechanically shabby but with clean T-coated glass. The focus
mount was so stiff as to be unusable, so I tried a little lighter
fluid and that started to slacken it off a bit.  The mount then
disgorged a small fragment of what looked like black cloth, and is now
very free (almost sloppy) to turn. I guess this was some form of
friction-inducing material added to the mount during construction to
take up the mechanical play.

Regards,

Doug Richardson

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