Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2000/10/05
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]this was posted to rec.photo.darkroom recently, thought it would be of interest to youse guys. More detail on the so-called 'gigabit' film which seems to promise large-format quality from 35mm negs (well, more or less anyhow). I really like the warning about 'psychological consequences' of using the film if you are over 25 years old! > [added rec.photo.film+labs to the discussion as they might be interested > in this as well and i'm not gonna type this twice ;] > > Peter De Smidt <pdesmidt@fdldotnet.com> wrote: > >>> have a look at www.gigabitfilm.de. Their page is still in >>> German only, however the test films they are shipping are coming out >>> quite well. Beats TP at resolution. >>> >> Do you know any more about the film? For example, what's it's spectral >> response (extended red, eg) ? Inherent contrast? > > the short answer: spectral response is pan with slightly less red > sensibility than average b/w films... contrast depends [obviously] on > development but should be "normal" with their special gigabitfilm > developer > >> My German is too rusty to tell much. > > well, my english is not top either, but here's a rough translation: > > ------------- > > Provisional data sheet for KB film 40 ISO, status 16.7.2000 > > Only valid in connection with Gigabitfilm chemistry for provisional KB > film ISO 40 of the test phase Gigabitfilm GmbH, H. Boell STR 17, 52372 > Kreuzau, fax: 02422/500460 > > > Film-type: Silverhalogenid Film > > Carrier: Polyester (PET=Polyethylenterephtalat), can be cut only with > scissors. > > sensibility: panchromatic, slightly lower red-sensibility than usual > panchromatic films. > > Dissolution: 720 linepairs/mm at contrast 1:1000 > > Grain: very low, in high density areas low > > Processing: in cleaned tanks, must not contain traces of wetting agents > > Develop: > use 250 ccm of working solution (1+9) per roll 135/36, for first tests > develop for 6 min at 20°C for a gamma of 0.5-0.6 (gradations-/ > temperature- [up to 26°C]/time curves follow, emulsion load must still > be measured), agitations interval of 20 sec. > The Gigabitfilm chemistry is free from any creation of cloudy stains and > artifact, even with insufficient agitation. Some users however > encountered occasionally problems, but problems with the processing > equipment are suspected there. > Chemistry is intended for use in 250 ml doses. For normal processing in > inversion tanks, the usual air over the fluid level of the filled tank > inclusive spiral with film is sufficient. This air volume should consist > of approx. 60 to max. 100 ml. > > the current gigabitfilm developer is not suited for rotary processing. > > [snip] > > Stop: water rinse (ca. 5 sec.) > > Fix: > common rapid-fixers, approx. 10-20 sec (yes, ten to twenty seconds, > gigabit films have much smaller silver grains than usual films) > over fixing (more than 2-3 minutes) can affect the shadow detail > density. feel free to check for clearing time, fixing time is three > time the clearing time as usual. > > Wash: > normal processing: 30 sec to 2 min > archival processing: minimum 5 minutes, details to come.. > > Dry: > final rinse in distilled water recommended or spray distilled water on > the hanging film. > > Attention: > the film will look very thin while dry, the final density will appear > when dry: > > Printing: > The thin emulsion and a special anti-dust coating makes printing easy. > > Enlarger and lenses: > Remove at least the lower glass carrier, otherwise MTF loss will occur, > good glass less carriers are recommended. don't stop down below f5.6 > > Taking lenses: > the quality of taking lenses is a very hot topic if used with > gigabitfilm. Avoid stopping down below f5.6. Many lenses are built to > increase contrast which might reduce resolution considerably. Some > lenses can archive a resolution of 350lp/mm in the final print. [1] > > [snip] > > Film transport: > sometimes camera with automatic rewind it can happen that the camera > starts to rewind the film after 24-30 exposures. This could be because > of the PET carrier, the advantages of this carrier make up for this > flaw, but later confection in 136/24 is intended. > > Flash shots: > Please process 10% longer! > > Cameras with TTL- and Flash metering: > If using cameras with TTL metering, the brighter emulsion more light > than common film material. This has to be taken into account as this can > make a difference up to 2 f-stops. [2] > > [snip] > > Unknown risks: > Please report back so that others don't have to make the same mistakes. > > psychologic risks: > studys show that test users over 25 years will have to face the > following dilemma after one week gigabitfilm testing [3]: their whole > lifetimes work, their whole archive looks worthless compared to the > quality of gigabit film. In those cases unusual psycholocic reactions > may occur such as active forgetting or head ache. this note may be an > advise to users over 25 to test gigabitfilm carefully and slowly, but > consequently. additionally one is only as old as one feels. > > > --------------- > > > doh, that was quite some work... note that i snipped some parts which > were cumbersome and i didn't consider to be worthwhile ;] ... also note > that i never used gigabitfilm [but i probably will] and therefore can't > comment on their information... > > hope that helped, > ++ christoph ++ > > > > > notes from the translator: > > [1] didn't we have a thread recently that high quality taking lenses > will not resolve significantly more than 150lp/mm? > > [2] this reads as (2Pi) f-stops in the original (even the html code) > which is probably a typo... 2 stops sound like an awful lot to me > though, so maybe this could also be 2/3 stop or something > > [3] i know that this part doesn't make a lot of sense in the > translation, but it's also rather odd in the original [as is a lot of > the rest of the text ;] - so i did my best... actually this whole > paragraph is a lot of nonsense to me - they must be nuts to think that > my whole lifetimes work is about grain and resolution... oh well, but > then i'm only 24 too ;] > > > the usual disclaimer apply like: > I have no connection to the mentioned company blah bla... data may be > incorrect blah bla... translation may be incorrect blah bla... etc > etc.. use at your own risk etc etc ... ;] - -- John Brownlow http://www.pinkheadedbug.com