Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2000/10/02
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]What would be an electronic M? Jem Kime wrote: > Report on the LUG meeting with Leica, Photokina 2000-09-30 > kindly organised by Erwin Puts. > > Present for Leica were: Rolf Kreuger - Production Manager > Stefan Daniel - M System Product Manager > Roland Wolff - Internet / Web design > Horst Schroeder - Optical Design > Steffan Gold - Public Relations > LUG members and other invited guests totalled around 30 including the new > Canadian distributor, Sal di Marco (photographer), Brian Bower (author), > Bill Roseaur (president, LHSA), Tom Abrahamsson (Rapidwinder manufacturer) > and Jem Kime (reporting editor, LPP). After an introduction from Erwin the > meeting unfolded as a Q &A session. > > Sal di Marco - What about an electronic M? > Leica - We're working on that camera, we are aware that there is a market > waiting for this but we're a small company that has to be very careful over > its finance, ensuring turnover. If we were to announce this before its > ready then we could not sell off old stock. > > Nathan Wajsman - What about R-system development? > Leica - We've concentrated on the M system recently and there have also > been new binoculars and compact cameras, we can assure you the R system > isn't dead.. There will be new products next year. Two years ago we > announced the 35-70/2.8 but that lens still isn't in production. In future > w will finish the design and release when ready. The R system is very > important to Leica's turnover but if we have too many projects on the go at > one time it becomes like a motorway creating a traffic jam. > > Raimo - With these new products will that mean increased production > capacity? > Leica - No, we will not increase overall. We have announced the 28 > Summicron-M and it will be available in February 2000, the samples are good > and it will go into production. There's no capacity problem but we have a > delivery delay on some current products. The market that Cosina and Konica > have created has actually helped our sales, we have a huge 35/2 backlog. > > Terence Dixon - What was the marketing idea behind the Null series camera? > Leica - Let me explain the history, we had a request from Japan to > reproduce the Ur Leica but to us that is almost a 'holy' camera and this > created a big discussion which concluded in us deciding if they could see a > market then we should make the camera ourselves. After taking the camera > out of the safe and examining it we discovered we would have to change to > much to make it usable, something we were intent upon. For instance Oskar > barnack always had to load film into the camera in a darkroom, it did not > accept cassettes, it became apparent it was impractical. We then decided to > recreate the Leica 1 but realised there were still so many on the market, > so we eventually came to the O series. We took the camera from the museum, > looked up the drawings and changed only a few design points to create a > usable camera, making pictures with this is so much fun! It will appeal not > only to collectors but users too. Herr Cohn (CEO Leica) remarks that it > approximates golf, in that to use it you need to concentrate totally on the > task in hand. > > E Lowi - Will there be autofocus for the R-system? > Leica - Hardly. If you are aware of our history you'll know that we were > at the start of autofocus back in the 1970s and two years ago we looked > really hard again at the possibility of installing it into the R camera. > Now if we insist on compatibility with the lens mount, and we feel this is > a really important thing for ourselves and our customers, then it would be > really, really expensive. If we changed the bayonet mount then it would be > cheaper but how many present owners would be happy with that? Few. We know > people have invested extensively in our system and we feel sure that we > would have to find a new, much smaller market. So we come back to the > finance question, can we make money out of this? It's not really possible. > Look at the Contax system (perhaps our closest rivals) they will sell maybe > 3000 units a month with only 4 lenses and 2 more announced, and that's not > really a system. Compared with other manufacturers we have about 20 years > to catch up and we need to do that in 2-3 years, comparison is never > possible. > Also we have examined focus confirmation or assistance recognition but the > difficulty is in installing contrast measurement circuitry, it has to be > built into the body and that is not possible with the current design. The > motors to drive the lens are not difficult, that's the easy part, but the > difficult part is contrast measuring which is required for either focus > confirmation or autofocus, that is 90% of the task. > > Tom Abrahamsson - the size of the camera has got larger, can you envisage a > smaller R body? Also, perhaps you could produce lenses for other camera > systems? > Leica - We have learnt our lesson with the size and weight of the R8, but > until the camera has paid for itself we cannot start to create a different > design, there will be developments of this body shape to come. > Yes, we have considered selling our lenses for other cameras, mounted for > Nikon, Canon etc. but other manufacturers have categorically said 'No'. > Sal di Marco - I use an R8, its big and bulky but it's the most ergonomic R > camera I've ever used. You can't change the size but there are positive > aspects to that, a large part of the public like that too. > > Lucien - Will you be creating an Apo extender to work with the old lenses? > Leica - As a question for the optical designer the answer is technically > feasible but from a production manager's perspective it is a difficult item > to sell, volume will never be high. Most people want a 2x converter if they > are buying one at all, they perceive it as better value for money, they > don't realise that there are many advantages to a 1.4x extender but in our > opinion it would not create enough sales to justify the selling price. > > Sal di Marco - I want a 1.4x extender and a 180mm (lens) with eyes for the > M system, I've played with these items already (produced in prototype form) > courtesy of Rolf Fricke. > Leica - We have just finished creating a new lens and feel there are not > many things to do with the M system. > Sal di Marco - Look at extreme wide angles, what Cosina's brought to the > market, there's still stuff to do. > Jem Kime - there's never been a fish-eye lens created for the rangefinder > system yet. > > Nathan Wajsman - I've a marketing question, after I've finished buying what > I need, compared to other companies, Leica seem to do very little to tempt > me to part with more money. > Leica - In recent years we have had to concentrate on sorting out our > immediate financial concerns, now the company is more stable we can expand > our range of fripperies. The Leica boutique, the Leica School, perhaps > taught in English, etc. > -Perhaps you could make and sell glasses, like Zeiss? > Leica - There would be a marketing problem to solve and advertising to > cost, which is expensive. It's not an emotional product and we believe its > more important to concentrate on developing digital.