Re: [Leica] wristwatches

["Dan Post" <dpost@triad.rr.com>]

Back to basics!
Actually, learning to shoot a position is very good training to learn why
it, and the GPS satelites work- The concept of triangulation is one that
many of us questioned learning in High School, but when you get right down
to it, basic Trig is esential to many parts of our lives- including the
rangefinders on our Leicas!!
I remember reading a Timex watch advertisement years ago- when their first
electrics came out, and they used the testimonial of a gent who sailed the
Atlantic, using only the Timex watch as a chronometer, and sailing from
europe to the US, he was only about 5 miles off his projected landfall.
Perhaps not really accurate in out day of GPS and quartz timing, but "Good
enough for government work" as we used to say.
We are so concerned with 'accuracy' it seems, but I look at the overall
picture (on topic!)
Man has built a pretty marvelous world using everything from knotted string
during the days of the Pharoahs, to the rather recent development of the
once ubiquitous slide rule- just think, we started our space program without
PCs!- and we've done remarkably well.
Of course- now that I am retired, I look at the sun- and figure the time to
within the hour, and that's good enough for me! Now- if I can just get my
brain to get it right in "Roosevelt Time", I'll be okay in the Summer!
Dan (Just about ten am here...I think.... almost lunchtime!) Post
- ----- Original Message -----
From: "John Coan" <jcoan@alumni.duke.edu>
To: <leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us>
Sent: Saturday, September 16, 2000 9:42 AM
Subject: Re: [Leica] wristwatches


> Barney,
> Hmmmm.  If you are at sea a good way to get the correct time for your
> navigation calculations is to look at your GPS.  My Garmin has a time
> read out on it!
>
> Just joking, of course.  In fact, I was on a cruise a few years ago on a
> big Holland America Line ship and saw a person on the bridge wing using
> a sextant.  I asked around.  She was an officer cadet.  It's good to
> know the Dutch merchant marine academy still makes the officers learn
> how to use the old methods.  One never knows when the US Government will
> shut down all the GPS satellites on a whim.  They recently took away the
> deliberate inacuracy stuff which was nice.  But you gotta figure, the
> government givith and the government can taketh away.  The Good Lord,
> however, ain't gonna stop the sun from rising.
>
> J
>
> Barney Quinn wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > I've been having fun reading all the threads lately. As a life long
> > leica user, a sailor, and a navigator who has a half century old Hughes
> > sextant and a century old Plath, and as someone who owns some mechanical
> > watches, please allow me to make a comment about the meaning of the term
> > "chronometer" in the context of navigation.
> >
> > To find my longitude at sea I need to know exactly what time it is both
> > where I am located and in Greenwich, England. I can find the precise
> > local time by using my sextant to determine when the sun is directly
> > overhead. That, by definition, is noon at my location. To find out what
> > time it is in Greenwich, I need a watch, or clock, set to GMT. The
> > difference in time between these two locations translates into
> > longitude. To make this process work I need to know the time quite
> > accurately. Errors of a couple of seconds a day in time quickly
> > accumulate into positional errors of miles over the course of a week.
> > That may osund strange, but the reality is that the wronger you are the
> > wronger you get.
> >
> > Here's where the counter-intuitive part comes along. To know GMT to a
> > high level of precision, I don't need a watch which never gains or
> > looses time. I need a watch which gains or looses exactly the same
> > amount of time every day. I need to know it's error rate, and I need for
> > its error rate to be constant. Once I know the error rate then it's only
> > a matter of simple arithmetic to get GMT. Here's an example. If I know
> > my chronometer gains a second a day, and I know that the time it showed
> > was exactly right a week ago, then all I have to do is to subtract seven
> > seconds from its reading and I have the exact time.
> >
> > A chronometer isn't a time piece which always shows the precise time. It
> > is a clock with a known, constant error rate. It always gains or looses
> > the same amount of time each day. What, as a Navigator, I can't
> > tolerate, is a clock with a variable error rate. The sea is a very harsh
> > environment. Harrison's struggle to make a chronometer wasn't to make
> > one which always had the correct time on the dial, it was to make one
> > whose error rate was unaffected by the humidity, salt, temprature
> > changes, and constant aceleration and deceleration caused be going over
> > waves.
> >
> > To make this relevant to Leicas, I never take my antique sextants,
> > watches, or leicas out of the house!
> >
> > Barney
> > John Coan wrote:
> > >
> > > Rolex makes a big deal about the "chronometer" certification, but
anyone
> > > who actually owns one will tell you that compared to today's cheap
> > > quartz watches they aren't very accurate.  At least mine isn't.
Still,
> > > they are a marvel of beauty and craftsmanship and salesmanship and
hype
> > > and certainly an icon.
> > >
> > >