Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2000/08/24
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]Recently we could read on this list a remark about the value of the measurement of characteristics of a lens that are related to image quality. In fact a reappearance of Mr. Johnston's well-known view about lens testing, it is stated that any objective lens test (that is a test that tries to establish numerical values on a set of parameters) can only capture those characteristics of optical performance that are irrelevant or unimportant for the true appreciation of a lens' performance by an artistically or expressively trained photographer's eye. Those aspects of a lens that delight or excite the working photographer in viewing his/her results in print or on screen, cannot be measured or even discussed objectively. As we are entering the domain of belief or even religion here, it is futile to try to argue against this view. You can not discuss in any meaningful way unless you try to follow the same set of rules or basic premises. The more intriguing question is why do some persons believe that objectivity in lens testing is irrelevant or counterproductive. The obvious fact that all manufacturers use MTF tests and all other kinds of measurements to create and produce the lenses with characteristics that some only wish to discuss in personalised statements is a logical contradiction. But so be it. Why negate the value of objectivity in lens testing and evaluation? One very obvious reason is a commercial one. Quite recently I was emailed by a customer in an USA store who asked me this: the salesperson had for sale two Summilux lenses 1.4/35, one the aspherical and one the ASPH. The aspherical was twice as expensive as the ASPH, because the salesperson stated that the first (aspherical) version was much better optically than the current (ASPH) version. Now this is nonsense and that I told the buyer, who went for the ASPH version for half the price. If the salesperson had presented the buyer with objective test reports he would never have made this statement and so could not justify the difference in price. Yes, yes, the aspherical is a collectors item and because of scarcity may demand a higher price, but that is not what the salesperson told the customer who was obviously not interested in a collectible. Second reason why objective lens reports are not popular is the loss of fun factor. If we believe whatever report the discussion is closed. It is established that lens A is better than lens B. Period. So buy lens A if you need best quality and start taking pictures. No fun at all? But if we believe that a test can not give conclusive evidence we are in for a never ending discussion, which is enjoyable in itself. Then we can point out that PopPhoto notes that the 1.4/35 asph has best wide open performance of all lenses tested, that Modern however remarked that stopped down the asperical is better, that Viewfinder in an article did not find significant diferrences, but noted more coma in the far corners, that CdI gave 5 stars, but that a friend who is a professsioal photographer swears by the ASPH, but that a noted NatGeo-rapher had sold his as he was not content with the bo-ke and so on. Of course I am fantasising here, but the message is clear and recognisable. The discussion on this list re the quality and merits of the Minolta and Leitz designs is a proof. I am not going to jump into this discussion, I already overstretched, regrettably, my backbench postion by commenting on Dan's presentation of 4 comparative pictures. There has been a reference to a site which presents the results of several magazines of the same lenses. While it is helpful to note that test results stray widely, it does not answer the fundamental question: if we want to get reliable info based on measured results, which one to trust. There are so many stories here that are not true that I do not know where to start: The notion that you should need a statistically representative sample to make meaningful statements, is not realistic: first: a representative sample would comprise at least 20 items. Which magazine can afford this? And what manufacturer can give 20 lenses per magazine. As there are about 200 magazines in the world who need fair treatment, so the factory would have to deliver 4000 lenses. Assume the Leica 1.4/35 aspherical which has been produced 2000 times. The full production is not enough to deliver the sample to all magazines. And would magazines be happy with 20 lenses. Not all all! It takes me a few months to test one item!! And is it necessary? No, QC nowadays secures minimum standards. Is it true that a magazine gets specially prepared versions of a lens? Most unlikely. The magazines I work for get off the shelf boxes. My Leica test lenses are taken from the shelf by myself. Is it true that a magazine keeps testing a series of lenses till they find one that meets their standards? Nonsense. Try to work for a magazine and you will find out that this is impossible. You have a deadline: get a lens in week one, test it in week two, find in week three it is not OK, ask a new one (often if it is a new lens, only one is available!!!) and you get one three weeks later, you test it etc. Deadline passed. No review needed anymore as all other magazines have reports on the lens! Every magazine has its own procedure of testing and style of reporting. YOU CANNOT COMPARE THEM!!! Unless you know intimately and in great technical detail what they do and how they work. Magazines do not tell you or in such terminology that you do not understand what exactly they are doing. Take Photodo. MTF tests are fine. The crucial question at what distance they set the focal plane, when testing the lens is never answered. I asked them several times to specify this simple fact. They refuse. Without such a knowledge the results are most misleading. If you do not know about the basics of optical shop testing and the magazines are as evasive as the Russians about the sinking of the Kursk, you are in the desert. Compare this behaviour with the one at Zeiss or Leica where the people explain to the most minute detail what they evaluate, why they do it, what the results are, what interpretations they use, where the grey areas are, what the margins are and I must say I believe the manufacturers data more than the results in the magazines. Erwin