Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2000/07/28

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Subject: [Leica] Re: Some Leica it HOT !
From: Ken Wilcox <wilcox@tir.com>
Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 10:34:56 -0400
References: <F234qeViRi3yk7MaMK400002b68@hotmail.com> <024101bff882$7ce3bd00$0500a8c0@optushome.com.au> <39818FAF.8DE5FCEC@bigfoot.com>

You have had remarkably bad luck. I've purchases a lot of used Leica gear
over the years and only had one item that needed to be returned.  One other
needed repair but was purchased with that expectation.

Ken Wilcox

At 12:13 +1000 7/29/0, a fine scholar, Miro Jurcevic wrote:

>I can assure you that the F-cam inside the lense is as lame as it can
>possibly be and still be mistaken for a Leica. Over a 4 second exposure the
>iris just seems to slip closed to about 50%-80%.  I have 3 lenses and they
>are two stops out at f=22. At f=11 the iris responds to opening during
>exposure.
>
>Now tell me .... what are the odds of being sold 3 cameras in one week, all
>by Leica 'experts' and not one of them arrived without the need for repair.
>One of them was even done through Ebay. You can imagine what is going on in
>my head. " There are clowns out there artificially maintaining camera prices
>and not usefully maintaining camera equipment ". I wish only photographers
>were allowed to sell Leica. Sydney Australia is full of these snobby clowns
>with self styled Leica selling pedistals.
>
>If any person coming for the 2000 Olympics is going to bring Leica ......
>don't even think about leaving any of it for repair. Bring extra.
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Dennis Painter <dpainter@bigfoot.com>
>To: <leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us>
>Sent: Friday, July 28, 2000 11:50 PM
>Subject: Re: Some Leica it HOT !
>
>
>> Miro,
>>
>> I am certainly no R expert but what you describe sounds like a lens
>> problem. Every SLR I have seen basically releases pressure on the
>> diapharam actuating arm and the speed of the lens diaphram closing is
>> dependent upon the internals of the lens.
>>
>> Do you have more than one lens to try this?
>>
>>
>> Dennis
>>
>>
>> Miro Jurcevic wrote:
>> >
>> > OK, I did the sensible thing. I got some lenses first and then went on
>the
>> > trail for a body. I got the R series over Blad's and the M's.
>> >
>> > The first body, an R4, came from Ebay with no rear seals, the second, an
>R4S
>> > came with a seriuosly useless and flaking bayonet. Obviously I was
>scraping
>> > the bottom of the barrel here. $300 - $400 USD was not going to buy any
>> > serious Leica body. That's what they cost me and I was going nowhere.
>The
>> > cameras were going back to the sellers (retailers on mail order).
>> >
>> > I took two more precautions. Spend more money and do it in person.
>> >
>> > I bought a mintish R7, mucho grande, for about $1,040 USD in a box with
>a
>> > new strap. Showed my trophy to an old friend in the magazine trade. Took
>it
>> > home and despite my lung twisting flu, thought that I finally saw the
>light
>> > at the end of the tunnel.
>> >
>> > Whilst playing with the lenses in f22 mode and on 4 seconds, I noticed
>that
>> > the iris was only half closed and then two thirds, I checked for manual
>> > mode, then stopped it down manually. Sure enough I picked my third lemon
>in
>> > a week.
>> >
>> > It's enough to make me want a 'blad.
>>


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Replies: Reply from "Miro Jurcevic" <miroj@ozemail.com.au> ([Leica] Re: Some Leica it HOT !)
In reply to: Message from "Bob Walkden" <bobwalkden@hotmail.com> (Re: [Leica] Leica ace Jean Loup Sieff)
Message from "Miro Jurcevic" <miroj@ozemail.com.au> ([Leica] Some Leica it HOT !)
Message from Dennis Painter <dpainter@bigfoot.com> (Re: [Leica] Some Leica it HOT !)