Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2000/01/23

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Subject: [Leica] Re: Noctilux result????
From: Ken Wilcox <wilcox@tir.com>
Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000 12:37:51 -0500

I had one of these years ago and found it unacceptable at ANY aperture. It
is not, IMHO, a substitute for the Noc.

Ken Wilcox


At 8:50 -0800 1/22/0, a fine scholar, Roland Smith wrote:

>I have an LTM Canon f1.2 which I plan to use on my M Leicas.   How is this
>lens wide open?  Can it be a viable alternative to the Noctilux if one is
>satisfied to shoot at either f1.2 of f1.4?
>
>Roland Smith
>----- Original Message -----
>From: robmueller <robmueller@home.com>
>To: <leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us>
>Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2000 12:31 PM
>Subject: RE: [Leica] Noctilux result????
>
>
>> Hey Dan,
>>
>> F1.0, let's see. $2900, can only use it at >f4. Hmmmm. Why would I want
>this
>> lens again? I'm not trying to be a smard A.., but something doesn't
>> correlate. I admit I know nothing of lens, so what are the advantages?
>>
>> Rob Mueller
>> www.studiesinblackandwhite.com
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us
>> [mailto:owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us]On Behalf Of Dan S
>> Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2000 1:34 PM
>> To: leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us
>> Subject: RE: [Leica] Noctilux result????
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > ----------
>> > From: Dan S[SMTP:DSTATE1@HOTMAIL.COM]
>> > Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2000 1:34:13 PM
>> > To: leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us
>> > Subject: RE: [Leica] Noctilux result????
>> > Auto forwarded by a Rule
>> >
>> Rob, this is only evident at the widest apertures.  It is one of the trade
>> offs of an F1.0 lens.  Stopped down this lens is really superb.  Indeed at
>f
>> 4.0-f11.0 I would doubt most users could tell it from the Summicron M at
>> enlargments less than 10x...and no way could you judge the difference when
>> using high speed film.
>>
>> Dan
>>
>>
>> >
>> >Ted,
>> >
>> >Would you accept this vignetting image from any other lens? No. Why must
>we
>> >make excuses for this? Because it is Leica? As an artist I object to this
>> >in
>> >the image. I think it looks terrible and completely detracts from the
>> >photo.
>> >
>> >Rob Mueller
>> >www.studiesinblackandwhite.com
>> >
>> >
>> >-----Original Message-----
>> >From: owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us
>> >[mailto:owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us]On Behalf Of Ted Grant
>> >Sent: Friday, January 21, 2000 11:09 PM
>> >To: leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us
>> >Subject: Re: [Leica] Noctilux result????
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > > ----------
>> > > From: Ted Grant[SMTP:TEDGRANT@ISLANDNET.COM]
>> > > Sent: Friday, January 21, 2000 11:09:03 PM
>> > > To: leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us
>> > > Subject: Re: [Leica] Noctilux result????
>> > > Auto forwarded by a Rule
>> > >
>> >Jerry S. Justianto wrote:
>> >
>> > >Please see my first pictures with my Noctilux :-(
>> > >
>> > >http://Noctilux.homepage.com/photoalbum.html
>> > >
>> > >Why do I get vignetting with these pictures?
>> > >
>> > >Above me are 4 neon lights and windows on my right side.
>> > >
>> > >I am using E60 filter for my Noct.
>> > >
>> > >from 5 pictures taht I shot all at 1.0 all have some funny shadow on
>> >it.>>>
>> >
>> >Hi Jerry,
>> >
>> >I guess nobody told you that the Noctilux at f 1,0 does vignette on
>> >corners. But it's no big deal other than when you run into plain
>> >backgrounds as you have in yours.  But the vignetting isn't
>objectionable,
>> >just kind of adds a framing factor to the image.
>> >
>> >And take that filter and throw it away, all it'll do is screw-up your
>> >images. You don't need any filters on a Noctilux, I guess you weren't
>told
>> >it's against the law and you could be arrested for putting a filter on
>the
>> >worlds most remarkable lens for night light and no light? :) Well not
>quite
>> >but wait a bit for further comments on the filter.
>> >
>> >ted
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >Ted Grant
>> >This is Our Work. The Legacy of Sir William Osler.
>> >http://www.islandnet.com/~tedgrant
>> >
>>
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