Re: [Leica] Re: Konica Hexar RF - initial impressions

[Bernard <5521.g23@g23.relcom.ru>]

D Khong wrote:

> Thomas,
>
> Helloooo...., are you OK?

Are you in your right state of mind, Dan? This ongoing shouting match
doesn't look good on you. Why don't you take your bad manners to Usenet;
that's where your writings belong.

Bernard

>  Judging from the promptness of your previous
> replies, I am getting a little worried not hearing from you.
>
> Surely a request for you to define the parameters for the evaluation
> of the
> Konica hexar that can produce the kind of data which meets your
> satisfaction should not prove too daunting a task for a person with
> your
> standard of proficiency in the English language. Better still, why
> don't
> you take up the challenge to evaluate the hexar personally so that
> your
> information and data can be made available to members of the LUG?
>
> If you keep silent, how are those pitiful worshippers at the alter of
> everything leica to know any better but to take hearsay and second
> hand
> information seriously?
>
> Dan K.
>
> -------------------------------------
> >Tom
> >
> >I will give the benefit of the doubt that English is your native
> language.
> >
> >Please describe to us exactly how you would like the Konica hexar to
> be
> >"seen, touched, or --more importantly-- used" in a manner that will
> produce
> >data to your satisfaction.
> >
> >Nevertheless, we all still look forward to the day in which you would
> have
> >"seen one, touched one, or --more importantly-- used one to make a
> >photograph" so that we can all learn from your evaluation of the
> Konica
> hexar.
> >
> >Surely you do not intend to disappoint us, do you?
> >
> >Dan K.
> >
> >-------------------------------
> >
> >>Dan:
> >>
> >>I hate to get into this sort of thing, and please forgive me if
> >>English is not your native language and you are misunderstanding
> what
> >>I'm writing. But based on your reply, it seems that you would only
> >>take people seriously if they offer opinions on things with which
> >>they have no experience and limited second hand information.
> >>
> >>Tom
> >>
> >------------------------------
> >
> >>>Thomas,
> >>>
> >>>We can always wait for the day when you do all that so that we can
> learn
> >>>from your evaluative wisdom and data. Until then we cannot possibly
> take
> >>>you and your recommendations seriously.
> >>>
> >>>Dan K.
> >
> >--------------------------------
> >
> >>>>Dan:
> >>>>
> >>>>Since I haven't seen one, touched one, or --more importantly--
> used
> >>>>one to make a photograph I have no basis upon which to make any
> >>>>comments at all.
> >>>>
> >>>>Tom
> >>>>
> >
> >-----------------------
> >
> >>Mr Kachadurian,
> >
> >>I do not agree with you that people did not really minded that the
> earlier
> >M6 >did not have TTL. If I recollect correctly, TTL was on the wish
> list of
> >many >M6 users. I believe that those who needed the TTL are now very
> happy
> >with that >feature. All said, there are also those who are still
> happy with
> >their >traditional M6s.  Is this feature now required?  Yes and no.
> It
> >depends on >one's needs.
> >
> >>Concerning the hexar, you have missed my point. After seeing how
> Konica
> >has >gone so far in order to make a camera with so many useful
> features, I
> >am >somewhat disappointed that it is still using an auto-flash
> without TTL
> >>features. TTL flash is nothing new and has been in the market for
> many
> >years.  >I am curious whether it is that much more difficult to have
> >included TTL into >the making of the hexar flash system?
> >
> >>My comments do not reflect my dislike nor fear of the hexar. You are
>
> >entitled >to your opinion if you thought so.  Thank you for your
> >recommendation for >those who worship at the alter of everything
> leica.
> >Perhaps it is time for >these people to take you more seriously.
> >
> >>How about telling us what you think of the Konica hexar?
> >
> >>Dan K.
> >
> >--------------
> >>This sort of comment is laughable.
> >>
> >>Until about 1 year ago the M6 did not have TTL and no one really
> >>minded, even though it was on many cameras in the 1970s before the
> >>first M6 was even made. Now an M6 has it (its only remotely modern
> >>feature) and it's required.
> >>
> >>My Mamiya 6 doesn't have TTL and I don't miss it. But I sure like
> >>it's nearly silent, dead on, electronic shutters. A camera with a
> >>mechanically timed shutter is pretty retrogressive, don't you think.
>
> >>
> >>I recommend that all of you who worship at the altar of everything
> >>Leica stop trying so hard to find reasons to dislike the Hexar RF
> >>before you even see it. It makes it sound like you are afraid of it.
>
> >>
> >>Touch one, use one, then when you and everyone else have data upon
> >>which to base an opinion, speak up.
> >>
> >>Tom
> >
> >>Thomas Kachadurian
> >---------------------------
> >
> >>>I am increasingly curious why Konica could not even make that
> camera with
> >>>TTL.
> >>>This has made the camera retrogressive.
> >>>
> >>>Dan K.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>