Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 1999/11/14
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]Hello Everyone, As I mentioned a couple of weeks ago, a group of executives from Leica U.S.A. and Leica Solms kindly consented to meet with list members at the recent Photo Expo held here in New York City. This group included R. Horn (President, Leica U.S.A.), N. Strauch (V.P. Marketing & Sales, Solms) and R. Hagenauer (Communications & P.R., Solms). In one-to-one conversations I discussed a wide range of Leica related matters; for the benefit of list members, these conversations are summarized below. First of all, let me say that I did not at all find them to be aloof, or out of touch with current market trends and fiscal realities. Nor were they unaware of our wishes in regard to new products or added features to existing products. It is clear that they are comfortable with Leica's current market position as a high end niche manufacturer. Within that market segment, their overriding concern is to return the company to profitability. Their product range is broad, but the current CEO is aware of the marque's history and has no desire to turn the Leica company into a marketing organization for non - photographic goods. Secondly, they do realize that Leica is constrained by its relatively small size and correspondingly small R & D budget. Resources must be expended wisely on product lines which will have a good chance of contributing to the bottom line. It is unwise to go head to head against the large mass market Japanese companies in areas where they have a significant market presence. Product lines must pay their own way - those that are not doing well in the marketplace may well be de-emphasized until Leica's fiscal position improves. Hence, they do not, at this time, wish to commit funds to develop an AF SLR system that would have to compete against the Nikon and Canon AF SLR's. With regard to AF SLR's there are also patent issues that add to the development costs and lead time. They DO now receive all mail from the LUG in digest form (no, a "who leica-users" to majordomo will not reveal this) but, given the pathetic S/N ratio, whether anyone at Solms really reads it all is open to question. In the past significant posts were forwarded to Solms by list members. They may now also be receiving mail from the LEL - Roger would know. By product line, here's what I learned: Enlargers There is no chance of seeing a revised Focomat or any Focotars, V-Elmars et al. In the last year of production, just before it was discontinued, worldwide sales of the Focomat 35 were around 130 units. Interest in darkroom work is dwindling and there are many companies making excellent enlargers and optics for far less than Leica would need to charge. Focomats were made in the Minox factory and restarting production would be prohibitively expensive. I asked about the possibility of running off small batches of enlargers and enlarging lenses in order to satisfy residual demand, but was told this was not feasible. Projectors The 2002 is, in fact, no longer being made. Leica had a 4 year (!) inventory of this model when it was discontinued (in favour of the RT series). Once current stocks are cleared out at the special price there will be no more. If you want one this may well be your last chance. The 600 and 150 are still in the catalogue. Projector sales are up slightly as rival European manufacturers are leaving the market. On the other hand, fewer photographers are using slide film. Leica expect sales to rise slowly due to the new models, eventually to fall as digital imaging gains wider acceptance. The R - System This is, for me at least, the saddest part of this report. Although I grew up in a rangefinder household - Father was a Contax man, while Grandfather owned a III f - and I own many rangefinders myself, the R's have always been my primary system. Thus it pains me to report that the R-system is not doing well in the marketplace. The biggest shock was the news that the R-6.2 is outselling the R-8 ! Note that Leica do not promote the R 6.2 very hard in their advertising. It is clear that the buying public has voted with its money and does not see any merit in the bulky R-8. I asked if the R-7 would be revived and was told that this was not planned. I was told that the R-8 chassis was to have been the basis of the next generation AF SLR system. As I've mentioned before, the AF system will not now be developed. A Contax RX style electronic focus confirmation feature was not under consideration either. No new major lenses are planned. Without explicitly being told so, I got the impression the R system is in for a period of benign neglect. I was assured that there are no plans whatsoever to discontinue the R-system. Some Lugers had wondered about Leica R lenses being made in Canon, Nikon or other mounts. I was told that this was not possible as Leica lenses were in some ways production limited. If lenses were made in a non Leica mounts the position would be even worse. There were also issues related to lens mount patents that would need to be resolved. Certain lenses were selling slowly. As an example, fewer than 500 of the 180 mm Summicrom R have been sold since its introduction. The M-System Leica were actively involved in the Hexar project but, for undisclosed reasons, decided not to pursue the matter further. They have evaluated the Hexar and do not regard it as a serious competitor. They believe it will only help sales of the M system. A family of M's is promised for the future - no further details were given. Leica are aware that M users tend to be a conservative lot, so a completely restyled all electronic AE body with zoom finder may not be in the works (this would be my dream M body). Leica believes that any new addition to the M line must be a pukka Leica, so a plastic CLE type body, made in the Far East, is also unlikely. I enquired about forthcoming new products for the M line, but ran into a polite but solid stonewall. Fair enough, as far as I am concerned. They are aware of the need for faster wideangles such as a 28 mm summicron M. In the US market sales of the M system are up three-fold over the past couple of years. It appears that Leica are quite pleased with the sales of the M system and hope to build on its success. Well, that's all for now. Hope you find this information useful. Many other list members were present too. Perhaps they, too, would like to summarize their discussions ? Regards, Akhil Lal alal@bcc.cuny.edu