Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 1999/10/11

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Subject: RE: [Leica] Film days numbered? and Paperless office.
From: "Kotsinadelis, Peter (Peter)" <peterk@lucent.com>
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 12:54:43 -0700

That's not paperless..... obviously horses are still around even as we have
cars.  So nothing goes away 100%.  Hence the reason we still use M cameras
;-)

- -----Original Message-----
From: Lee, Jonathan [mailto:Jonathan.Lee@hrcc.on.ca]
Sent: Monday, October 11, 1999 12:19 PM
To: 'leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us'
Subject: RE: [Leica] Film days numbered? and Paperless office.


I'll believe in a paperless office when I see an office with no shelves, no
filing cabinets and no photocopier.

Jonathan Lee

- -----Original Message-----
From: Kotsinadelis, Peter (Peter) [mailto:peterk@lucent.com]
Sent: Monday, October 11, 1999 2:38 PM
To: 'leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us'
Subject: [Leica] Film days numbered? and Paperless office.


Yeah Jonathan.  You know those fools who said that the automobile would
replace the horse, that the telephone would kill the telegraph, that the
Personal Computer would replace the mainframe. What idiots they are! 

I work in one of those allegedly "not here yet" paperless offices today!  
Every document/form is posted on an intranet for instant access.  
We handle Purchase Orders, and various other things paperlessly.
All communication is all done through email, voice mail or other paperless
means. 
Even manuals are electronically posted and accessed.  No paper.

Peter K

- -----Original Message-----
From: Lee, Jonathan [mailto:Jonathan.Lee@hrcc.on.ca]
Sent: Monday, October 11, 1999 10:56 AM
To: 'leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us'
Subject: [Leica] RE: Film days numbered? 



The days of film are numbered?!

Ha! People who say this are the same people who told us 10 yrs ago that the
copmuter will lead to a paperless office!

Film will stay around for a long time because:
1.  Storage.  The information per volume and per $ of film is very high. If
I shoot 30 rolls of film, that information can be easily stored in a binder.
1080 digital images are going to take a up a lot of expensive memory and/or
disks.
2. Cost.  The penetrance of computers is not 100%.  Right now, it costs $20
to buy a disposable camera and get prints.  Untill an imaging setup is
available that can duplicate this, film will continue to exist. 
3. Convenience.  There are no and are unlikely to be in the 10-15 yr
horizon, 1 hr imaging places so dig prints can be made for $10.
4. Silver's importance.  Never count anything out.  15 years ago, people
were saying that the view camera was dead and rangefinders would die soon.
Now look at it, rangefinders and view cameras everywhere.  ANother thing,
platinum printing is aslo making a comeback.
5. Archivability.  Save your digital images on a ZIP drive today.  10 years
from now, you probably will ahve a hard time accessing that information.  It
will be like trying to access all those letters and files that you saved on
5.25" disks back in the deep dark days of the late 80s.

JOnathan Lee