Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 1999/10/11
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]> Excellent post Tom. I will not pretend to have the knowledge to guide Leica Solms or to be able to advise Herr Cohn (btw, I like the title Herr especially when applied to a GERMAN). I do think that the M6 while representing the end point in the development of Leica's vision of a rangefinder system does need to be upgraded with an electronic shutter and higher flash sync speeds. The R system should be retained but dump the bulky and UGLY R8 and start over with something more ergonomically pleasing. I think R lens prices are hurting R sales. Really, who has this kind of money? And even if you are wealthy can you spend these sums in good conscience of lenses if you are not a professional photographer? A few choice lenses will cost more than a car or my first home. Does anybody have the modular tele system?? Yet this is what is needed for a photo trip to Africa which I plan to do in the future. The prices of these lenses mandates buying a different SLR system to get more "affordable" long tele lenses. Should Leica couple their expensive lens with some promotion to get more units sold and therefore lower the unit cost? I don' know but I think the current plan is on a collision course with market realities. Paul > Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 01:46:47 EDT > From: TTAbrahams@aol.com > Subject: Re: [Leica] How to manage a camera company? > > Leica AG is in a bit of trouble, no doubt about that, but we should also > remember that corporations in Europe and in Asia operate under different > "time" frames than the US/Canadian model. They do have a more than a 3-6 > month "instant gratification" approach. What would worry me is more along the > line of a buyout or take over by some corporate "shark". The Leica name has a > certain cache, similar to that of Rolex, Louis Vuitton or for that matter > Rolls Royce or Bentley. It could easily be bought and sold of piecemeal for a > rather substantial profit. > What is needed now is a "decisive moment", corporately speaking. The name > Leica is well known and unfortunately, from a profit point of view, most of > the sales are in used Leicas and that does not benefit the current company. > So what that the MP's sell for $18-20 000 today, Leica sold them for $ 400 in > 1957 and does not benefit from the "collectible" prices today. In fact, it > could be a major "career move" to have the company disappear and pushing the > collectible prices even higher. This would of course leave us users in a dire > spot! > The current renaissance in 39 screwmount lenses (and cameras) and the new > M-mount Konica will put pressure on Leica to hold on to its niche market. The > Cosina lenses are extremely good value for money, the 15/4,5 because of its > unique position of being good quality and affordable and the rest of the > line-up is as good. The 25/4 Snap-Shot Skopar is very sharp and contrasty and > its lack of rangefinder coupling is less of a problem than I initially > thought. The 35/1,7 is a lower-priced alternative to the pre-Asph Summicron > 35 and the 50/1,5 Nokton is actually superior to the Summilux 50/1,4 at less > than 40% of the cost! The 75 is a portable version of that focal length, it > is not as good as the 75/1,4, but it is a very good piece of glass in its own > right. Cosina/Voigtlander's approach is similar to Leica of the 60's. Give > the customer what he/she wants and they will buy. Look at the array of > finders and adapters that they introduced with the lenses. There was > evidently some good market planning going on there! Cosina is currently > selling between 700 and 1000 Voigtlander Bessa-L with the 15/4,5 and the 25/4 > a month in GERMANY! > The Konica M-mount is an interesting concept and although it will create a > lot of interest and probably sell quite well, Konica has one problem. The > M-mount camera was conceived and designed when the Yen/$ was 140/$ and > released with the 104/$. This has already given that camera an almost 35% > disadvantage in the market place. Can you imagine a M-mount, fully loaded > Hexar (1/4000 and 1/200 flash synch) for $ 1100 instead of today's > $1500-1600. That would really have damaged the sales of NEW M6. Now the two > cameras will be competing on an almost level playing field and in that match, > my money is on the Leica. > The R-system is a marketing disaster. The R8 was too big, (sales are slow in > Asia and one reason is that the camera is difficult to hold if you have > smallish hands, or even average sized hands), too many problem in the early > batches and the features on the camera were 10 years out of date! No wonder > that used R7's are going in up in price. The debacle of the R8 Motor was > inexcusable; you cannot sell a camera targeted to the professional market and > say "Sorry, some essential accessories will be another couple of years in > coming"! One of the big problem that Leica/Solms has had in the last decade > or so, is that they have not "sold" the cameras, but trusted that the cameras > reputation would continue to promote it on its own. The advertising and > promotion in Europe is better than here in North America, where the marketing > truly "sucks"! > New products are not the only answer to Leica Solms woes. They also have to > learn how to sell the existing line and keep their promises in regard to > deliveries. There is nothing as irritating as an organization that keep > promising a product and cannot keep the delivery times. It can be difficult > at times to do so (I know from personal experience), but then state this at > the time of introduction. > What could be done within the current framework of products is to upgrade > the lenses still left intact in the M-system (28/2,8, 50/1,4 and possibly the > 50/2). Yes, a new AE M6 TTL would be nice, but it is not an essential > product. Take the money instead and spend it on promoting the M6 TTL and > negotiate a deal with Konica for joint sales of the Hexar-M (if Hasselblad > can do it with Fuji - and that was even a different film-size!) it could be > done. It is unrealistic today to expect a smallish operation like Leica/Solms > to develop a brand new camera, particularly one that involves technology that > is unproven (within Leica/Solms that is). Rather than getting in to a fight, > join forces. > My favourite idea for the M-camera is the digital back for it. Take off the > baseplate and back door, clip in a CCD back and memory "pack" and now your > old DS M3 and its 50DR is shooting digital images. Want to go back to > shooting Tri-X, unclip the digital back and put the old backdoor/baseplate > back on. At the moment most of the CCD are ½ frame or smaller, make an > auxiliary finder that goes on top and folds down over the existing viewfinder > window. Make the back a separate unit from the memory/battery pack and when > larger CCD are available these can be designed to be plugged in (or the > reverse, larger memory packs can be adapted to the existing CCD). > The R-system could be kept around, the R6-2 is selling well and allow other > manufacturers to buy Leica optics and adapt these lenses to their camera > bodies. Sell out what exists of the R-8 and kill it. It is becoming what the > SL2-Mot was. Each of the SL2-Mot's made and sold, represented a 1000 DM loss > to Leica! > Remember the R-4. When you make a mistake, cut the losses rather than try to > keep it alive beyond what is economically reasonable. > Tom A > > Tom Abrahamsson > www.rapidwinder.com > > > ------------------------------ > > End of Leica Users digest V12 #56 > *********************************