Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 1999/09/24

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Subject: RE: [Leica] What I'd like to see.
From: "Greg.Chappell" <Greg.Chappell@bankofamerica.com>
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 13:00:00 -0500

Jonathan,

I agree with every counter view you have, except #1. When Anthony refers to
"Leaf Shutter", he's referring to an actual leaf shutter, like those in a
Rolleiflex, Hasselblad, etc., that allows for flash synch at all shutter
speeds & is very quite, not the F-Stop leaves. 

I'm afraid that proposition would require a lot of work to make it fly with
the M6. It would have to be a behind lens shutter, unless you were going to
introduce a whole new line of Leaf-M lenses. Behind lens shutters were tried
in the 50's & 60's on several system 35 slrs. Can you name any still around
today? The Hasselblad "C" series is actually designed after the Contaflex
series that Zeiss Ikon produced. 

A leaf shuttered lens would be great as far as giving a higher sync speed,
but the leaf shutters physical size does not allow for lenses much faster
than F2.0 (something many on this list would NOT stand for). Faster lenses
are possible, just look at the Rollei MF lenses today, but the prices would
cause your head to spin. If someone's is buying a rangefinder (for any
format) for fast flash sync times, they need to be buying the Mamaya 7. For
the amount of flash work I use mine for (not much) 1/50 works for me.

- -----Original Message-----
From: anthony [mailto:anthony@atkielski.com]
Sent: Friday, September 24, 1999 11:44 AM
To: leica-users
Subject: Re: [Leica] What I'd like to see.


From: Lee, Jonathan <Jonathan.Lee@hrcc.on.ca>
Sent: Friday, September 24, 1999 17:13
Subject: [Leica] What I'd like to see.


> 1. A leaf shuttered Leica.

Aren't leaf shutters inside the lens assembly?

> So, let's make and an M6 "lite" to sell side by
> side with the regualr M6: Take and M6, keep soemthings
> the same: shutter, rangefinder. Remake everything else
> in aluminum and plastic with the idea of cutting the
> weight of the body in half.

Who would buy it?  One great selling point of the M6 is quality construction
and
durability.  Take that away, and what's left?  Being able to mount M lenses
is
not a selling point, because anyone who can afford M lenses can afford an M6
body, too.

I really don't like the idea of making any "bargain" Leicas.  There are
plenty
of bargain brands already; we don't need one more.

> Yes it will be less durable,but the point of this camera
> is weight.

My M6 with its tiny Summicron lens is so light that I tend to forget that
I'm
carrying.  Just how light does a camera have to be?

> 3.  Market a series of modern designed collapsible lenses
> of low aperature, good (not exceptional) optics and decent
> construction.

But lens design is not something one undertakes lightly.  Where would the
market
be for this?  Why reinvent lenses that already exist in almost the same
form?

> Again lightness and compactness are the primary factors here.

But the M6 is already light and compact.  Making it more so wouldn't change
much, since there isn't really anything else that is lighter and more
compact as
it is.

> Say a 35/f2.8, 50/2.8, 90/4.0. The body and lenses should
> total to less than 2.5 lbs.

You don't want to use glass elements in the lenses?

  -- Anthony