Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 1999/08/12

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Subject: Re: [Leica] Another Leica vs medium format debate
From: Henry Ambrose <digphoto@nashville.net>
Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 10:00:36 -0600

>Look, guys, this thread is interesting enough, but at one time, 
>first year photo students had knowledge of a few points (yes, Will, a "list" 
>follows:
>
>1. With 'realworld' films (this qualification necessary for Erwin, etc), 
>and 'real world' handling (35mm in hand, 4x5 on tripod, 21/4 sometimes 
>either)
>virtually ANY 2-1/4 camera will out-do the finest 35mm camera...yes, I mean 
>a l955 Kodak Tourist, in perfect working order, on a tripod with verichrome 
>pan film, at f-16, and a hood, will kick your Leica's ass.  Period. (6x9cm 
>negative)

YUP!
>
>2. Same conditions as above, that old Crown Graphic with it's (clean) Optar, 
>will generally outdo the Hasselblad, Rollei, etc...

YUP!
>
>3. The "quality" of a photograph has little to do with it's absolute 
>sharpness, 
>and of course color rendition/contrast/freedom from flare is TOTALLY 
>subjective...
>Give me a Smith/Capa/even HCB(!) anyday over the product of some 
>anal-retentive 
>"zone-ite" with his goddamn Linhof/Schneider/T-max100/Zone 
>IV/Range-Rover/$2000
>VC Head enlarger mounted on the requisite cubic yard of Granite.....

Probably the thing most often ignored. (I am  guilty here.)
>
>4. There seems to be little knowledge of "the tool for the job" 
>today...hence the 
>popularity of the "shift" lenses, etc....
>
>Seriously, folks....the next time you run across a vintage 
>"Box"....yashica, kodak, 
>ciroflex, god-knows-what, buy it....shoot it...at f11 on a tripod...print 
>full frame 
>on 11x14 paper....compare it to an identical print under identical 
>circumstances
>from your latest Leica ASPH-whatever....
>The whole reason for using 35mm has been lost in these never-ending 
>"quality" 
>discussions....

HERE HERE!
>
>Interesting story....A photographer friend of mine (yeah, he's famous but 
>ya don't 
>need to know) recently tried to get a "poor" lens for his 4x5.....I 
>suggested a 
>home-brew single element device, and he bought a bunch of meniscus lenses 
>from 
>Edmund scientific.....6-8" focal length, used 'em 'wide-open', about f 8 
>or so...
>ya know what? He not only DIDN"T get the effect he wanted, he laughed and 
>said 
>he could hardly tell the difference in the meniscus and his Schneider!!!
A friend just tried a really crappy lens on his 8X10 and well, the prints 
were still incredible in sharpness.
>
>Yes, it's a true story.
>Walt
>
Henry Ambrose