Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 1999/05/10

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Subject: RE: [Leica] anti-Leica-ism?
From: "Kotsinadelis, Peter (Peter)" <peterk@lucent.com>
Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 08:08:52 -0700

Erwin,

I find your comments condescending. WHen I first started on this list I
found the small fragment of the group to be in control of the LUG.  It was a
religion to this so-called "gang of 5" and anything to the contrary was
blasphemy.  Leica cameras were canonized during this time and I think we now
have a wide ranging group with opinions.  To use an insolent tone and state
"This list might evolve into a mature and resourcefull body of Leica info
(as I once hoped it would automatically  grow to this stature),"  only shows
we have obviously have hit your hot button.  Hey Erwin, lighten up.  We all
have opinions, right, wrong or indifferent.  I for one prefer a bit of humor
and controversy when compared to a thread on "How I stroked my lens last
night."

Peter K

- -----Original Message-----
From: Erwin Puts [mailto:imxputs@knoware.nl]
Sent: Sunday, May 09, 1999 1:48 AM
To: leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us
Subject: [Leica] anti-Leica-ism?


This list nowadays seems to be dominated by a very small fragment of the
group who are as blatantly anti-Leica as unjustified. We have individuals
who profess their very obvious dislike of the Leica products, individuals
who obsessively scrutinize anything Leica produces or announces to find
even the most minor typing error and we have individuals who seem to
believe that Leica's strategy and product range is focused on extinction.

Now I do think a well reasoned and factsupported stance is to be wellcomed
in a list that indeed might be inclined to see the Leica marque through
tinted glasses and be benign to all kinds of errors the factory could make.

I do think too that this list is composed of humorous, well educated
enthousiasts for the Leica marque in all its aspects, technical.
historical, and artistical. These hundreds of individuals deserve and
demand respect for their expertise, knowledge and use of the Leica products
and they also know how to get support and replacements if anything goes
wrong with the product or when a product is defective. So it is with
Porsche, BMW, Rolls Royce and Nikon, Zeiss etc.
It is gratefully acknowledged as someone notes a defect that seems to be
structural in stead of incidental. It is also gratefully accepted if
someone has really factbased information about the marque and its  products
to share it with this list.
But the "i-heard-from-my-local-dealer-who-knows-a-Leica-rep-who-knows-..."
type of topics should be presented in a responsable way so that everybody
can assess as rumour.  If then somebody wants to make this topic into a
thread we all can ignore it.

This list might evolve into a mature and resourcefull body of Leica info
(as I once hoped it would automatically  grow to this stature). We all
share the responsibility to keep this list interesting. We should spend all
this considerable energy (scores of posts a day!!) being focused on
positive and constructive experience sharing about Leica.


Erwin