Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 1999/02/10

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Subject: Re: [Leica] can't beat the minilab
From: Alan Ball <AlanBall@csi.com>
Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 07:50:02 +0100

B. D. Colen wrote:

> Or, assuming a mini-lab that really provides one-hour service.....leave
> hospital, drop film, pick up 30 minutes later for $2.50 @ - $5.00
> View negs on scanner, scan those to print...10?...45
> minutes....tops...cost...zip...

B.D.,

How long does it take to view negs on scanner ? Thumbnails will NOT tell
you if the pic is as sharp as you wish. You'll have to confirm this
through loupe and light table. As to scanning time, my sh**** CanoScan
will in theory be capable of those 45', but I know it is usually much
slower, depending on the chosen resolution, the possible dust specks and
if you tweak scanning settings or not before each final scan. There is a
major productivity difference here between professional scanners and
SOHO scanners.

> total time to play with and print 10 reasonably good negs...2 hours
> tops...cost...$5.00 worth of paper

You are counting 12 minutes per print. That seems reasonable as long as
you do not spend too much effort tweaking the d*** Photoshop balance
settings, basing your decisions on the d*** uncalibrated monitor before
discovering that your d**** inkjet printer and its inks have a
sensitivity of their own. I KNOW there are supposed to be tools to
standardize the curves through the process. But I also KNOW those tools
have little love for SOHO devices.
 
> Pop in albums...10 minutes...tops....

If the prints are dry, otherwise watch the smears on the plastic
sleeves...

> Total time...4 hours....and that's assuming problems with the prints...
> Total cost...$10 plus film and album cost...

You might be able to get down to 4 hours, but I do not think this would
be a repeatable duration for the process. During those 4 hours, you are
not working on other things: these are leisure time hours. While the
minilab does its job, you are still in a position to earn money.
Finally, you have had to pay for a higher end PC, graphic card, monitor,
scanner and printer.

> And unless you're doing a bunch of 8x10s or larger, I'd match the digital
> prints against the mini-lab 4x6s....

Nope, but I know we disagree on the inkjet quality  appreciation. Plus
you can order larger size minilab prints if you wish so. The glossy
prints I got back yesterday were PERFECTLY processed by the minilab: no
scratches, no specks, perfect balance, totally up to the standards of
any professional high end lab I have ever tried.

> And, all of the minilab calculations
> assume that - a) they're not backed up and can really get you your negs and
> prints in an hour...b) that the machines are working right on the given
> day..c) that the right tech is on duty so that you get decent prints....

That is true. That is why it is important to use well equipped minilabs
with competent clerks. They exist.

> The bottom line is...the digital route is markedly less expensive, and, on
> average, just as good for producing an album of 4x6 prints...and the digital
> route lets you prints those 4x6s on 8x10 paper, which looks very nice
> indeed...

Nope, same disagreement as earlier. AND do not forget that in the story
I relayed, you would not have been able to deliver the digital prints to
the mums within the same time frame. Unless of course you do not work
for a living and if the clinic allows visits after 8pm.  ;-)

> SO - Conventional film - Leica optics - conventional film processing -
> digital scanning and printing...the way of the next 50 years...(right Jim
> B?)

Nope. Just a decent fumeless solution to tweak color prints at home on
Sundays. ;-)

Of course, this whole logic only applies to color prints: b/w users
manage a totally different set of parameters...

Alan