Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 1999/01/11

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Subject: [Leica] M6 HM Serial Numbers: Last Posting
From: "Frank Filippone" <red735i@earthlink.net>
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 12:27:20 -0800

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S/N To Date:1/10/99
This is a list of all reported M6HM (0.85) Serial numbers by LUG members.
The list is hardly complete but should be used as a guide.
The notation of US or Canada etc. is the country the camera was purchased
in.

There is an email from Leica AG, Mr. Stefan Danial-Leica Camera AG Produkt
Management, M-System.
That email states there was a total production of M6HM of 3,130 units.  I am
confirming this report.

We have compelling arguments to conclude that my original estimates of
4700-6000 units is wrong.  We have the S/N of non-HM cameras from the range
that I would have expected belong to the HM.  We need to continue this
research.  Please keep those S/N coming to me....

Standard Engraving  as engraved on the back of the camera
Line 1   "LEICA CAMERA"
Lne 2 "MADE IN GERMANY"

1,917,990  Europe

2,296,539  Hong Kong

2,414,454  US Standard Engraving

M6 S/N 2,414,461  NOT HM

2,414,629  Canada Standard Engraving
2,414,835  Canada Standard Engraving
2,414,849  Asia Standard Engraving

2,415,034  US Standard Engraving
2,415,207  US Standard Engraving
2,415,252  US
2.415,277  US  Standard Engraving
2,415,322  US
2,415,337  Europe Standard Engraving
2,415,388  Europe Standard Engraving
2,415,467  HK Standard Engraving
2,415,483  Europe Standard Engraving
2,415,570  US Standard Engraving
2,415,617  US Standard Engraving
2,415,628  US Standard Engraving
2,415,729  US Standard Engraving
2,415,868  US Standard Engraving
2,415,922  US Standard Engraving
2,415,946  Europe
2,415,974  US Standard Engraving

2,423,040  US
2,423,068  Europe engraved LEICA CAMERA only
2,423,084  US  Engraving on back says: "LEICA CAMERA GMBH"
                            underneath  this, "Made in GERMANY"
2,423,097  US Engraving same as # 2,423,084
2.423.237  Europe  Standard Engraving
2,423,247  US Standard Engraving
2,423,248  Europe
2,423,249  Europe, Standard Engraving.
2,423,255  Canada Standard Engraving
2,423,271  Europe  Standard Engraving
2,423,308  US Standard Engraving
2,423,327  US Standard Engraving
2,423,398  Canada Standard Engraving
2,423,399  US Standard Engraving
2,423,408  US Standard Engraving
2,423,425  US Standard Engraving
2,423,476  Hong Kong Standard Engraving
2,423,519  Hong Kong Standard Engraving
2,423,533  Europe Standard Engraving
2,423,574  Europe Standard Engraving
2,423,582  US Standard Engraving
2,423,592  Europe Standard Engraving
2,423,664  US Standard Engraving
2,423,733  US Standard Engraving

2,424,176  US Standard Engraving
2,424,275  US Standard Engraving
2,424,331  US Standard Engraving
2,424,471  US Standard Engraving
2,424,475
2,424,512  US Standard Engraving
2,424,376  US Standard Engraving
2,424,500  Europe  Standard Engraving
2,424,647  US Standard Engraving
2,424,702  US Standard Engraving
2,424,927  US Standard Engraving



2,431,315  US Standard Engraving
2,431,765  US Standard Engraving
2,431,875  HK Standard Engraving

There is no evidence of cameras with S/N between 2,432,000 and 2,432,499

1500 Units beginning with
2,432,500 US Standard Engraving
2,432,692 US Standard Engraving

M6 S/N 2,432,901  NOT HM

2,432,983  Europe Standard Engraving.... Reported Stolen in Belgium

2,433,062  Europe Standard Engraving
2,433,067  US Standard Engraving
2,433,145  US Standard Engraving
2,433,155  US Standard Engraving
2,433,221  HK Standard Engraving
2,433,222  US Standard Engraving
2,433,243  US Standard Engraving
2,433,302  US Standard Engraving

2,433,437  US Standard Engraving
2,433,470  Europe Standard Engraving.... Reported Stolen in Belgium
2,433,480  Europe Standard Engraving.... Reported Stolen in Belgium
2,433,535  Europe Standard Engraving
2,433,586  Europe Standard Engraving.... Reported Stolen in Belgium
2,433,620  Europe Standard Engraving.... Reported Stolen in Belgium
2,433,633  Europe Standard Engraving.... Reported Stolen in Belgium
2,433,650  UK Standard Engraving
2,433,654  US Standard Engraving

2,433,675  Europe Standard Engraving.... Reported Stolen in Belgium
2,433,795  Europe Standard Engraving.... Reported Stolen in Belgium
2,433,798  Europe Standard Engraving.... Reported Stolen in Belgium

2,456,023  Europe Standard Engraving.... Reported Stolen in Belgium
2,456,225  Europe Standard Engraving.... Reported Stolen in Belgium


These were sold in late 1998.
2,463,935  US Standard Engraving
2,463,944  US Standard Engraving
2,463,962  US Standard Engraving
2,464,003  US Standard Engraving
2,464,011  US Standard Engraving
2,464,026  US Standard Engraving
2,464,030  US Standard Engraving
2,464,090  US Standard Engraving


If you see your camera listed with an incorrect S/N .... like I bungled a
few digits..... please email me
Note: Capitalization is as printed on the camera

A copy of these numbers is archived at Stephen Gandy's site:
http://www.cameraquest.com/


Conclusions ( My opinion ):
Leica produces cameras in production batches ( maybe I should say they
produce serial numbers in batches).  You may find this expected, but it was
a good for me to get some hard data on the issue.  I do not expect to find
random S/N.
There were pre-production units that went to Canada and Asia.   Maybe
elsewhere.  S/N were random.  Theses are most likely modified M6 bodies.

There were 5 production runs of  1,600, and 2,000 and 1,000 and 1,000 units,
and the last run of cameras, starting near 2,464,000 of maybe 100-1000
cameras.
Myearly  estimate is that less than 7,000 total were made.  My low estimate
was 4,700 total.

They substituted older style covers for a total of less than 100 units.
 S/N 2,423,084 - 2,423,097 maybe others).  Theses are exceedingly rare
units..

See comments at top for an official number of 3,130 total units.

I will continue to keep this list and modify the assumptions made about the
total production run.


Thank You.
May the Light be with you.
Long Live Leica M Cameras!

Frank Filippone
red735I@earthlink.net

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