Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 1998/11/22

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Subject: Re: [Leica] Apo 90/2.0 R
From: Andre Jean Quintal <quia250249@yahoo.com>
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1998 08:12:11 -0500

>d.)  Acquire the new 50 f1.4 with some of the trade in cash.
>
In summary, I'd like to trade in the R 90 f2.8 & R 80 f1.4 on the
new R 50 f1.4 & the new R-90 f2 apo. Imagine working with
the 35 f2, new 50 f1.4, & the new 90 f2 apo on my R8s;  the
"killer trio" from the kilns of Kolsch! However, going for the
APO macro over the 90 f2 is also an idea;, i.e, the tradeoff
being Macro versus the extra stop....tough one ;-) !
[ . . . ]
>Tom D.

	Mr D.,
	It seems to me you are going too fast
	and are letting enthusiasm take control
	of your wallet.

	I would suggest you reconsider getting rid
	of the 80-R f/1.4 .
	1/ You already have it, so it doesn't cost
	anything anymore.
	2/ it IS f/1.4 capable and, though i have not
	had the privilege of using it, i presume
	it must be quite a useful portrait and
	low light lens, plus the "odd" short telephoto
	applications.
	Ultimate sharpness and newness is NOT everything
	and i'd bet dinner that the shots you've got out
	of your 80/R f/1.4 are more than "decent".
	I prefer smaller lenses for a variety of reasons
	but f/1.4 capability in that general focal
	range is a major system benefit.
	Then, again, what would happen should
	LEICA be coming out with a 75mm Noctilux/R ?
	There is a very serious institutional market
	for such a yet to be created lens, especially
	in the "security establishment" field ...

	To me, a wide angle freak by any standard,
	your system is too "classic".
	Since you obviously have the privilege
	of serious photo budget monies,
	i would think there'd be A LOT
	new PRACTICAL exitement to "go" with
	your present lenses as LEICA has a rather
	impressive 1999 year where innovations
	are concerned: take your time !
	D-e-s-p-a-c-i-o !

	Were i in your circle, i'd try to sell you
	on a 19mm Elmarit-R rather than a 50mm.
	Such a super-wide lens brings home
	a world of creative possibilities
	and such lenses have evolved to be outstanding
	tools rather than compromise solutions
	of the days when 35-50-90 became
	a standard or just about and wider lenses
	made no sense to "serious" photographers,
	because they THEN were weak performers.

	The other consideration i'd like to impress you
	with, in full respect, is to consider the 28mm
	focal length with a new eye.
	You have probably read my anterior posts
	and already know Leica is yet but an unrealized
	teenage dream for me (I'm 49). But YOU are there,
	full out, with the cash at hand.

	How about a NICE 28mm PC-Super-Angulon,
	Mr. D ?

	I would hope this exotic beauty strikes
	a secret wish somewhere inside . . .
	It's obviously not a grabshot lens.
	It has the "genetics" of some of the historical
	great lenses of photography.
	What such a lens can bring to a developed
	photo system ("kit") such as yours
	really is mostly limited by your increasing
	ability to "image" (mentally) as you gain
	hands on experience with the perspective
	control function and the lens handling itself.
	If you happen to be a photographer
	who has the least interest in constructed
	photo images, this 28mm PC-Super-Angulon may be one heck
	of a wonderful tool in a "to be lust over"
	photobag such as yours !

	Then, (i hope you are a patient person),
	there is that crisp Macro-Elmarit 60mm.
	It could bring in loads of leisure photography
	hours in such as flower macro-photography
	which i have achieved through close-up lenses
	but, surely, the 60/R holds the promise
	of a totally new photo experience
	with a classic photographer such as you.
	Even more : by experience with "baby zooms",
	i find the casual portraits i like most happen
	to be in that general focal range.
	My personal best photos almost
	over 50% have been shot at f/5.6,
	so a f/2.8 fully useable lens has a lot to
	offer. It is NOT aprochromatic,
	it is NOT new, it sells very well
	to knowledgeable users, it is LEICA grade
	all the way, and unless you start going
	wild on infra-red photography, the non
	apochromatic lens formulation will never be
	a limiting factor. Also, note the extra
	high scores established 60/R users
	rate this humble "specialty" lens with,
	here on the LUG, month after month.
	I have yet to read an "iffy" post on
	this one.

	Finally, depending of your general
	idea of photography, the 135mm and 180mm
	focals could me MOST interesting to examine
	to expand your system potential.

	You dumped the Apo-100mm, but you still
	should retain either of your 80 and 90mm
	lenses. Yet this tells me that you don't
	tend to be a telephoto "nut" as 100mm
	(i'm used to 105mm) gets to be darn close
	and narrow angled when one mostly uses
	24mm / 28mm lenses. Actually, it's about
	at that point, 2x, that autofocus really
	starts delivering its benefits in a clearer fashion.

	Choosing lenses is a matter of photographic style.
	You have BOTH 80/R and 90/R.
	The newer 90mm APO, with its f/2 widest
	aperture, definitely deserves your attention,
	but it could be quite a new way to look at
	things would you consider the arguments put
	forth, for discussion's sake.

	A new high performance digital scanner
	could be a wonderful consideration, too,
	for your system. I agree it's very debateable.
	But notice how enthusiastic the people
	who have the privilege of owning a good one
	appear to be, almost unanimous,
	here and elsewhere.

	I also can't avoid bringing forth
	the suggestion of a baby zoom
	as a most interesting alternative
	to fixed focal lenses. Baby zooms bring
	a lot of flexibility and "fast action"
	potential to a photo bag.
	Which one i truly have no notion.
	The 35mm-70mm f/3.5 could bring in
	a lot of creative freedom but i simply lack
	the hands on experience to feel at ease
	and influence an established photo enthusiast
	such as you to go and try one.
	To me, would not the Macro-Elmarit 60/R
	appeal to me so much, this would be a more
	desireable option than a fixed focal 50mm.

	The 28mm-70mm could perhaps be even trippier
	and still deliver Leica performance.
	I hope the privileged owners reading this
	would bring in their comments to help us
	[me, actually] clarify my understanding and
	appreciation for such in the Leica/R range.
	With N...., i like the functionality very much,
	but the definition simply does not rate up
	to my expectations, half the time !     :-(
	Perhaps do the LEICA
	brand baby zooms deliver a more endearing
	level of performance for real life photography.
	What do you think ?

	I hope you don't feel i'm throwing
	rocks in your pond and appreciate that i sure wish
	my photo bag held such "toys" as yours, LEICA,
	to say the VERY least ! ! !

	Do you fully realize how lucky you are, Mr D. ?
	Until we meet,

	Have a great day !

	Andre Jean Quintal