Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2014/08/21
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]You take a different type of photograph to me Tina, two of the images I showed the background disks are part of the shot. A straight shot would not be worth showing and I like the fact I can create something which the eye does not see ;-) If you want a neutral background then the 50mm APO Summicron is the best I have seen..... http://johnmcmaster.com/PAW/2014/31/content/L2005284_large.html john -----Original Message----- I think you are right, Ted! I'm not going to worry about bokeh any more! From the examples posted here (and on Olympus and MUG) of "good" bokeh, only a few look good to me and those are the ones where the bokeh is not obvious. If the first thing you see in a photo is the bokeh, that is a bad thing!! All of those hideous circles take your eye away from whatever it is that you are trying to photograph in the first place. I just don't understand how that could possibly be considered good. No more bokeh for me. Just photos. Thanks for the reminder, Ted! Tina On Wed, Aug 20, 2014 at 11:39 PM, Ted Grant <tedgrant at shaw.ca> wrote: > TINA MANELY OFFERED AFTER READING: Mike Johnson's BOKEH article: > >> He also comments that bokeh gets more problematic: > > the larger the aperture > the closer the focus > the more distant the background > the more contrasty the background > No wonder I had problems. My 3 photos included all of the problematic > possibilities!<<<<< > > ====================================================================== > ====== > ============== > > Hi CREW & TINA, > So once again Mike and his bokeh assessments and spooky stories about > this lens phenomena raises it's so called ugly head and nearly > everyone acquires wet pants of panic over it! Get over it! Simply > because if you know nothing about it > > "" It don't matter! "IT's THE CONTENT THAT COUNTS!!! HOWEVER IT > MATTERS TO THE OVER TECHIE PEOPLE!"" Good buddy Mike being one of them! > :-) Hi Mike! > ;-) > > OK here I go again.;-) > So please let me explain before some of you get wet pants ? ;-) I had > been a working well published and paid professional photographer for I > suppose 30 years or more and never knew such a lens phenomena existed. > Until one day shortly after joining the LUG and Mike Johnson came on > with his spooky "bokeh -- BS!" Heck I had never read anything about > this "HORRID LENS EFFECT" let alone it even existed. So OK I had > nearly always used LEICA glass, whether it exists on LEICA lenses or > not? "PLEASE DON'T TELL IF IT DOES, SIMPLY BECAUSE, "WHAT I DON'T > KNOW ISN'T GOING TO HURT MY PICTURES!" > :-) > > Besides it obviously wasn't a detrimental factor! As I was being > hired to fly about the world on "paying published assignments!"NEVER A > WORD FROM SOME OF THE TOUGHEST-ASSED PHOTO EDITORS YOU NEVER WANT TO > HAVE! KILLERS OF ONES FEELINGS! > So when it came up on the LUG screen and I read about it, my immediate > re-action was "BUll-s-t!" STILL IS IN CAPITAL LETTERS!" > > Because if it were such a horrid picture spoiling effect? I'd > certainly have been chastised to tears any number of times in the > past published 60 years! > But do you know what???? Not one peep about the "bokeh effect" in any > of the over 300,000 images in the National Archives collection! > > OK folks, those who made it to the Leica Gallery New York? ........ "I > didn't hear any comments about the horrid evil "BOKEH FACTOR" in any > of the photos hanging on the walls? Therefore? Is "BOKEH" as usual, > just another techie bit of jabber-whookie needlessly wasting our > picture taking time babbling about it? INSTEAD OF TAKING PICTURES? > > OK folks, "have a go at the old LAD!" :-) Whatever you do say, truly > isn't going to change my mind about "THE BIG BAD BOOGIE BOKEHMAN!" :-) > cheers, Dr. ted :-)the "big bad bokeh boogeyman":-) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: LUG [mailto:lug-bounces+tedgrant=shaw.ca at leica-users.org] On > Behalf Of Tina Manley > Sent: August-20-14 3:39 PM > To: MUGers at yahoogroups.com; Leica Users Group; paw; seephoto; Olympus > Camera Discussion > Subject: [Leica] Bokeh and Lenses > > PESO: > > Mike Johnston (The Online Photographer) has written quite a bit about > bokeh. He has a pdf in which he rates many lenses for their bokeh. > > http://theonlinephotographer.typepad.com/files/bokehrankings5.pdf > > He also comments that bokeh gets more problematic: > > the larger the aperture > the closer the focus > the more distant the background > the more contrasty the background > > No wonder I had problems. My 3 photos included all of the problematic > possibilities! > > Guess I'll try again. The Summicron does get a 10 in the lens ratings. > > Tina >