Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2013/10/02

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Subject: [Leica] Live view and TTL "m"
From: john at mcmaster.co.nz (John McMaster)
Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2013 19:05:23 +0000
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It works very well with both lenses, I have even shown shots of the Noctilux 
on a 10mm extension tube ;-) Start with 5x and see how you go...

john

> -----Original Message-----
> 
> Hi Steve,
> I'll be trying that with the M as soon as I can. As you know, the further 
> the
> subject from both the Nocti and 75, the easier it is to focus. I'm not 
> sure I
> shared my images from last Saturday, many shot with the M + Nocti, but at a
> bit of a distance. Used the rangefinder only, but again not a true test as 
> close
> focus with these lenses is where they are truly unique.
> www.rgaphoto.com/2013-Band
> When I next see Leo, I'll try the M+Oly EVF with these lenses (it can 
> magnify
> 5X and 10X) and see what happens. My concern is only the VERY slight lag on
> the M where the shutter closes from liveview and then fires...
> Until then, good light!
> Bob
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
> > On Oct 2, 2013, at 8:38 AM, Steve Barbour <steve.barbour at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >
> >> On Oct 2, 2013, at 12:34 AM, John McMaster <john at mcmaster.co.nz>
> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>> On Oct 2, 2013, at 12:09 AM, Geoff Hopkinson
> <hopsternew at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> The Oly EVF because you can put it to your eye. Holding out an M at
> >>> arms length would be very awkward.
> >>> With a patterned surface, for example a road you can also see the
> >>> exact DoF walking back and forth as you focus or change aperture
> >>> (the focus peaking display).
> >>
> >> Stick a noctilux on a Fuji x camera with EVF and magnification, Shoot
> >> at f1, your reliability of manual focus will exceed  most. leica 
> >> bodies....
> >> s
> >
> > sorry John,  I am not being very clear here trying to communicate.  I
> > am sorry. My point actually is  quite simple. Because of their narrow
> > depth of field wide open, a Noctilux and a Summilux 75mm/1.4 are the
> > most difficult to focus of all lenses when shot wide open at a subject
> > that is close. So yes, while they have prominent oof areas in the
> > final image, they are most unforgiving, and require the most accurate
> > and careful focus of all. Many of us find a significant miss rate on a
> > Leica body, in my experience from a M3 up to an M9.  This may be due
> > to a rangefinder not perfectly adjusted for this purpose, or to our
> > eyes, or to other random errors. In my experience it is far easier to
> > accurately and reliably focus these lenses on an EVF with
> > magnification, giving a hit rate of almost 100% success. Even my
> > recalibrated and adjusted (by DAG) M9, for my Noctilux, does not even
> > come close. So in terms of ease of use and outcome, I am impressed by
> > the results I obtain with an EV
>  F
> > and magnification, shocked, as I had not expected this. Part of this is 
> > due,
> no doubt, to the reality that you are focussing directly on something that 
> you
> see. With a rangefinder you are depending on a mechanical linkage, to focus
> on  an object presumed to be where your eye sees it, in a separate window.
> >
> > Yes, it would be nice to have a "full size" sensor, nicer yet to have a 
> > sensor
> 3x "full size"... but nicest of all to be able to focus truly accurately, 
> as well as
> quickly and reliably.
> >
> > Steve
> >


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