[Leica] AAAAARRRRRGGGGGHHHH!!!

[john at mcmaster.co.nz (John McMaster)]

I would have thought a smaller sensor camera with good high asa and greater 
DoF would have suited Mark's shooting preferences ;-)

john

> -----Original Message-----
> 
> Mark,
> 
> In your fantasy land, you never consider the quality one gets for the 
> dollars
> spent.  This is where Fuji kicks butt.  Enough said!
> 
> Jim Nichols
> Tullahoma, TN USA
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mark Rabiner" <mark at rabinergroup.com>
> To: "Leica Users Group" <lug at leica-users.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2013 10:39 PM
> Subject: Re: [Leica] AAAAARRRRRGGGGGHHHH!!!
> 
> 
> > Well I hope my tone was clear I'm on your side for being the only one to
> > mention the Leica brand on the thread I think it was an M240 you
> > recommended.
> > I was a bit put off by the unanimous consensus to get the Fuji system
> > camera
> > on the LUG today. Leica has moved far beyond this now. Cropped systems.
> > The fuji is a half assed compromise.
> >
> > I don't feel if that's what your now saying that the fact that the Fuji 
> > is
> > sold out that that makes it an item of interest for a list of supposed
> > Leica
> > lovers. It just means they made a camera marketed at the masses and is
> > succeeding on that account.
> > As far as APS-2 1.5x compacts go I'm ok with the ones with non
> > interchangeable lenes. The idea of using my set of Leica glass on a
> > cropped
> > format with odd balance and limited compatibility does not excite me. But
> > quite puts me off.
> > The APS-C format is fine for me on a camera which goes into a pants
> > pocket.
> > I'd even go the Vario X route though it would need a coat pocket.
> > The compact glass on the Leica X2 or Vario are made for that format.
> > As are some other ones.
> >
> > Fujifilm X100s $1,299 1.5 crop
> > Leica X2 $1,995  1.5 crop
> > Nikon Coolpix A $1,097  1.5 crop
> > Ricoh GR $797  1.5 crop
> > Sigma DP1, 2 or 3. $999 with a sensor closer to 2x crop.
> >
> > But the camera to get of course is the Sony RX1 full frame.
> > If I was not shooting with an M240 that would be my camera of choice.
> >
> > I'm afraid at this point I have no patience for an M9 and the money I'd
> > have
> > to pay for one. I see it as a failed camera. A nice try, but no cigar.
> > The fact that its no longer made speaks for itself.
> > It was strike two.
> > And strike three is not going to happen for the new digital Leica company
> > because the Leica M240 and Monochrom are huge winners taking the
> company
> > up
> > to a higher level which I'm excited about. One in which far more serious
> > users are using rangefinder Leica gear.
> > And the S Too.
> >
> > I'm not excited about people on the Leica list talking about a cropped
> > fuji
> > as if its a replacement for a full frame M. which it clearly isn't.
> > I'd expect to hear such garbage on the fuji list if there is one.
> > Or a bunch of computer geeks talking gadgets du jour.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On 6/25/13 6:39 PM, "Geoff Hopkinson" <hopsternew at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Mark I could be considered biased here ;-)
> >> However just suggesting what may work best for Ric whose apparently
> now
> >> facing a large repair bill for a previously repaired M8.  Personally I
> >> would be very frustrated in his position and very reluctant to spend 
> >> more
> >> on the M8. I would maybe also be elevating my protest if the repair
> >> agency
> >> has said no to a warranty claim. Everyone's circumstance is different 
> >> and
> >> their own of course. My understanding of that shutter problem was that
> >> the
> >> slower max speed ones ought to be better. The shutter unit is in any 
> >> case
> >> a
> >> standard Copal unit that has been in many many camera for years
> including
> >> I
> >> think R cameras and the M9 too. I know nothing on any MTBF histories
> >> though.
> >> For what it's worth the excellent Fuji cameras are back ordered
> >> everywhere
> >> here as well... But you can pick up almost any M lens or a Monochrom or
> >> an
> >> M-E or an X anything or even a Dlux jeans edition right off a shelf. You
> >> would wait longer for an M though...but my wait is over ;-)
> >>  On Jun 26, 2013 7:28 AM, "Mark Rabiner" <mark at rabinergroup.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Geoff you seem to be suggesting that someone on the LUG go out and
> buy a
> >>> Leica camera. I can't even belive what I am reading. You are way off
> >>> topic.
> >>> This is the Fuji only zone.
> >>> Here today gone tomorrow cameras only.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On 6/25/13 5:16 PM, "Geoff Hopkinson" <hopsternew at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> I can only speak about the international warranty Ric where that is 
> >>>> the
> >>>> case. I don't know the circumstances of the failure you got nor what
> >>>> was
> >>>> done of course. A camera that goes to Solms at least is assessed
> >>> completely
> >>>> when any paid service is performed and any additional work would be
> >>> quoted
> >>>> and everything adjusted to spec and guaranteed. For the M9 at least at
> >>> one
> >>>> point you could buy an additional warranty period too.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> *Family and friends are everything.*
> >>>>
> >>>> Cheers
> >>>> Geoff
> >>>> http://www.pbase.com/hoppyman
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On 25 June 2013 21:32, RicCarter <ric at cartersxrd.net> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> would that were true--my other M8 died less than a year after Leica
> >>>>> CLA.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> They refused to talk about repaair because they said they had not
> >>> replaced
> >>>>> the shutter.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> ric
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Jun 25, 2013, at 5:27 AM, Geoff Hopkinson
> <hopsternew at gmail.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Pay for a CLA and then get twelve months warranty on the whole
> camera
> >>>>>