Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2012/12/15
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]They trick may be to not have to rely on a 30 year old backup as ones only copy of an important image. On 12/15/12 4:39 PM, "Richard Man" <richard at richardmanphoto.com> wrote: > You can't read old PATA, DMA33 hard drives easily any more either. So no > matter what one chooses, one needs to make sure that the container can be > accessed. If it looks like the technology or format will go away, then copy > the content to the latest and greatest version. > > So tape "expected lifetime" is 30 years, I don't think anyone can claim > that for hard drive tech. > > > On Sat, Dec 15, 2012 at 8:19 AM, John Nebel <john.nebel at csdco.com> > wrote: > >> Yes, one needs to be aware of changing formats, same with disks. >> >> ... and expected lifetime >> >> <http://h20000.www2.hp.com/**bizsupport/TechSupport/** >> Document.jsp?locale=en_US&**taskId=120&prodSeriesId=34648&** >> prodTypeId=12169&objectID=**c00286108<http://h20000.www2.hp.com/bizsupport/Te >> chSupport/Document.jsp?locale=en_US&taskId=120&prodSeriesId=34648&prodTypeId= >> 12169&objectID=c00286108> >>> >> >> >> On 12/15/12 8:50 AM, Ric Carter wrote: >> >>> regarding tape backup >>> >>> there are different tape formats--if you use one for years and it fails, >>> it is easy to find your tapes unreadable >>> >>> we had this happen at the office >>> >>> we now use a network HD and local offsite via internet >>> >>> ric >>> >>> On Dec 15, 2012, at 10:14 AM, John Nebel <john.nebel at csdco.com> wrote: >>> >>> >>> <http://photos.csd.net/**library.html<http://photos.csd.net/library.html> >>>>> >>>> >>>> An old pic, now using lto4/5, but the idea is the same. Lots of >>>> terabyte tapes used in rotation, periodically moved to other locations. >>>> Granted, a somewhat heavyweight solution, but not needing a robot to do >>>> the work, the same reliability can be achieved on a desktop or within a >>>> PC. >>>> >>>> Never underestimate the bandwidth of an SUV full of tapes. >>>> >>>> John >>>> >>>> On 12/15/12 7:59 AM, Sonny Carter wrote: >>>> >>>>> On Sat, Dec 15, 2012 at 8:15 AM, Richard Man < >>>>> richard at richardmanphoto.com>**wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Well, at $180 for 2TB, that's 10 drives for $1800. >>>>>> >>>>>> Unused drives sitting around is less reliable than unused tapes, >>>>>> sitting >>>>>> around. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> yeah but, if you are using the backup software, the hds get exercised. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sat, Dec 15, 2012 at 5:52 AM, Sonny Carter <sonc.hegr at gmail.com> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> you can buy a lot of hard drive terrabytes for 1800 bucks >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sat, Dec 15, 2012 at 7:30 AM, Richard Man < >>>>>>> >>>>>> richard at richardmanphoto.com >>>>>> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Well one of my 2TB drive in the back up system just gave up the >>>>>>>> ghost. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I have ~2TB of images right now, and sure to grow >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I know there were a few discussions on back up systems for photos, >>>>>>>> but >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> I >>>>>> >>>>>>> don't think tape back up got much attention. Anyone using it? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I am more or less down to choosing between tape back up or Amazon >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> Glacier. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The nice thing about Glacier is that it is entirely offsite. The >>>>>>>> major >>>>>>>> downside is that while it is much cheaper than other online storage, >>>>>>>> at >>>>>>>> $0.01 per GB per month, with 2TB of data, that's still $240 per year >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> and >>>>>> >>>>>>> will be more as I take more photos. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The nice thing about tape is that it is cheap enough ($60-$100 per 2 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> TB) >>>>>> >>>>>>> that I can make at least one duplicate copy. The downside is that the >>>>>>>> initial equipment purchase costs $1300-$1800 (and up) and I will >>>>>>>> have >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> to >>>>>> >>>>>>> find an offsite solution. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The default is to continue with hard drive back up. The major >>>>>>>> problem >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> is >>>>>> >>>>>>> reliability. For business data, I have a a RAID netstation and >>>>>>>> multiple >>>>>>>> back up on different systems, but for photos, doing the same is just >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> not >>>>>> >>>>>>> fiscally viable. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Any thoughts? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> // richard >>>>>>>> <http://www.richardmanphoto.**com<http://www.richardmanphoto.com> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ______________________________**_________________ >>>>>>>> Leica Users Group. >>>>>>>> See >>>>>>>> http://leica-users.org/**mailman/listinfo/lug<http://leica-users.org/ma >>>>>>>> ilman/listinfo/lug>for more information >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sonny >>>>>>> http://sonc.com/look/ >>>>>>> Natchitoches, Louisiana >>>>>>> >>>>>>> USA >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ______________________________**_________________ >>>>>>> Leica Users Group. >>>>>>> See >>>>>>> http://leica-users.org/**mailman/listinfo/lug<http://leica-users.org/mai >>>>>>> lman/listinfo/lug>for more information >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> // richard >>>>>> <http://www.richardmanphoto.**com<http://www.richardmanphoto.com> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ______________________________**_________________ >>>>>> Leica Users Group. >>>>>> See >>>>>> http://leica-users.org/**mailman/listinfo/lug<http://leica-users.org/mail >>>>>> man/listinfo/lug>for more information >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> ______________________________**_________________ >>>> Leica Users Group. >>>> See >>>> http://leica-users.org/**mailman/listinfo/lug<http://leica-users.org/mailma >>>> n/listinfo/lug>for more information >>>> >>> >>> >>> ______________________________**_________________ >>> Leica Users Group. >>> See >>> http://leica-users.org/**mailman/listinfo/lug<http://leica-users.org/mailman >>> /listinfo/lug>for more information >>> >>> >> ______________________________**_________________ >> Leica Users Group. >> See >> http://leica-users.org/**mailman/listinfo/lug<http://leica-users.org/mailman/ >> listinfo/lug>for more information >> > > -- Mark William Rabiner Photography http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/