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Subject: [Leica] Nikon D800E vs. D800
From: imagist3 at mac.com (George Lottermoser)
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 11:46:21 -0500
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On Apr 23, 2012, at 6:58 AM, Tina Manley wrote:

> I agree.  I never use any sharpening with the M8 or M9 photos which is
> great because no sharpening is allowed for any stock photos.  The buyer
> wants to do their own sharpening depending on use.  My M9 files look great
> compared to unsharpened files from other cameras.
> 
> Tina
> 
> On Sun, Apr 22, 2012 at 8:26 PM, Phil Forrest
> <photo.forrest at earthlink.net>wrote:
> 
>> On Sun, 22 Apr 2012 20:05:21 -0400
>> Mark Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>>> Omitting sharpening from your normal workflo in digital is just not an
>>> option.
>> 
>> Unless you happen to be using a Leica M8 or M9. Sharpening the files
>> simply isn't necessary.
>> 
>> Phil Forrest
>> --
>> http://philipforrestphoto.wordpress.com/
>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/philforrest

It seems to me that some sensors actually achieve recording more fine detail.
This certainly seems the case with the best CCD sensors which don't use AA 
filters.
It certainly seems the case with the D800E Cmos sensor without AA compared 
to D800.

It also seems to me that achieving the "illusion" of sharpness through 
"sharpening"
is not the same as achieving more fine detail without "sharpening."
It does not seem to me that "sharpening" builds and/or replaces "actual 
detail"
where it did not previously exist.

If we look at photography as an art/craft capable of achieving, to one 
degree or another,
a a two dimensional document of reality, with all of its "detail,"
then I'd think we'd have interest in "fine detail" to capture a true sense 
of the real.

We seem willing to pay big bucks for lenses to achieve sharpness, fine 
detail and micro contrast.
I'd think we'd also be wanting sensors to best serve those lenses in those 
regards.

Digital noise, film grain, lack of micro contrast, lack of fine detail,
lack of shadow, mid tone or highlight separation, 
all seem to work against achieving that sense of the real
feeling of feathers, fur, skin, flower petals, et al.

Obviously one can create strong images without having all the detail.
We've all seen amazing images with moving subjects, large coarse grain, etc.
The moment captured, the beauty of the subject, the composition, etc.
can all supersede any need or desire for fine detail, dynamic range, and 
such.
Though when it all comes together - we certainly feel the magic and the 
power. 

Regards,
George Lottermoser 
george at imagist.com
http://www.imagist.com
http://www.imagist.com/blog
http://www.linkedin.com/in/imagist







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