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Subject: [Leica] Re; Copy quality (was HCB negative)
From: mark at rabinergroup.com (Mark Rabiner)
Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2011 17:05:26 -0400

Larry  of course many people including me go to "museums" to see photos not
quite as often as  go to galleries its not all that esoteric.  Me I  go to
galleries most Thursday nights. As do a lot of people who live in this tri
state area here most of them. Like a hundred of them in NY fifty right by
me in Chelsea. As in galleries which mainly or often display photographs.
But there is Moma and the MET and a few more you have to pay to get in.
And those photographs in either or of those institutions trust me were made
from  the precious original negatives were not from copy negatives. That
would be just nonsensical and odd. . An aberration. An irregularity.
abnormous; anomalous, anomalistic; out of order, out of place, out of
keeping, out of tune, out of one's element;
Egregious

But I'm ok with the first part.

By the way is there something ephemeral about negatives that I don't know
about? They are way more archival than prints and they don't shred when you
look at them funny out of the corner of your eye.

Just show us the URL from the photographer or institution who cherishes his
original negs and therefore works from copies instead.
Just find us one! 
Try Google advanced. I'm not that good at it yet.
You'd think there'd be one eccentric weirdo out there doing that I can't
think of who or what that could be.
And when we cant find such a thing I'd love to see this idea not propagated
with such insistent regularity on the LUG. People coming on the list will
think its a basic truth.
Making a print from an original neg is hard enough making a print from a
copy neg which does not look like complete garbage is way more difficult.

One could say a businessman does not wear his real shoes to work but has
stand inn's made.
And we must invite our guests over so they can sit on own expensive sofas
with plush upholstery but covered with thick sticky see through plastic.

Is this the Matrix?
Is it real or is it Memorex?
Boring as it may sound I think its just plain vanilla real world we live in.

Mark




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Mark William Rabiner




> From: Lawrence Zeitlin <lrzeitlin at gmail.com>
> Reply-To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
> Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2011 12:26:42 -0400
> To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
> Subject: [Leica] Re; Copy quality (was HCB negative)
> 
> snip<
> Despite the doctrinaire attitude of purists, creating the final product 
> from
> a copy negative is a well accepted technique. Few of us, except in a 
> museum,
> have ever seen the original prints made by photographic masters. Every
> studio movie you see in a theater is a copy print. Many of the photos sold
> by stock agencies are produced from copy negatives. All of the images seen
> in printed publications, including the LUG Yearbook, involve copies.
> Discussing the "quality" of images derived from copies is like discussing
> virginity amongst whores. It is a non issue.
> 
> 
> Larry Z




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