Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2010/04/01
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]At 6:43 PM -0400 3/31/10, Doug Herr wrote: >Henning Wulff wrote: > >>If I'm standing on a boat and have to shoot at 1/30 of a second I'll >>generally get a higher quality image with the 100-400 IS than with a >>similar weight and cost 400/5.6 without IS. That's a valid >>comparison. If we're talking about shooting on land with support >>available and comparing the 100-400 IS with a 280/4 Apo-Telyt, that's >>not a valid comparison for a number of reasons. > >Why is the land comparison not valid if the boat one is? > Hi Doug, The reason I said the 'boat' example is a valid comparison is that the lenses are of equal speed (and approximate cost) and neither can be used with any other stabilizing system other than the shock absorption of your body. The 'land' comparison isn't valid as laid out because you're comparing a $1500 lens against a $3500 or so lens, and when you allow tripod or other serious bracing options IS is taken out of the equation. In your situation, Doug, where you take the time to properly research, stalk and approach a creature and use the best lens and best support IS becomes irrelevant unless you are forced to suddenly take a shot with your 280/4 plus converter handheld at 1/30 second. Then IS _might_ be useful. I've shot with 400mm+ lenses since the early 60's, and have had 400mm lenses of various qualities. The best lens optically I've had is the first generation of 400/5.6 Nikkor P-C that had exotic glass but had not yet been marketed as 'ED'. No Nikon 400mm lens since had outperformed it, and I got many excellent shots with it. All those excellent shots were from a tripod or at 1/500sec. I sometimes got technically excellent shots at 1/125, but now with the 100-400 Canon and IS I can get the same percentage at 1/15, which is a three stop improvement. No, the 100-400 is not nearly up to the standards of the Nikkor, but it is a lot better at 1/15 and in fact any handheld shot less than 1/250, it focusses closer and has a much more manageable throw. In other words, it handles way better. As a 400, the 400/6.8 Telyt handled way better than the 400 Nikkor but the optical quality of the Nikkor was massively better, so around 1976 I got the Nikkor and was happy with the quality of the images but frustrated with the handling. I have seen results from some of the better Nikon and Canon lenses with IS (or VR) and don't see much real world compromise in image quality from them, so high quality is possible. Are the Leica lenses better? Probably, but then so is the 50 Summilux ASPH compared with any other 50, all of which don't have IS. IS is not a panacea but in many circumstances can allow you to get an image that you couldn't get otherwise. That's a major breakthrough. Many types of photography depend on getting the shot at all at some level, and the ultimate technical quality doesn't make/break the shot. Here IS can be a huge aid, whether or not image quality is compromised, which I still believe is minimal in an of itself. In my formal architectural work IS is of course pointless, and strangely enough none of my 4x5 lenses have it. Neither do my 35mm based tilt and shift lenses. Regarding the in-body and in-lens debate, both sides have merit. To date the in-lens method has bee slightly more effective, with the in-body method being less expensive if you have a number of lenses and more versatile. As far as image quality degradation, both systems open the possibility for more quality control issues. In my opinion that's a toss-up. -- * Henning J. Wulff /|\ Wulff Photography & Design /###\ mailto:henningw at archiphoto.com |[ ]| http://www.archiphoto.com