Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2010/03/08

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Subject: [Leica] New 35/1.4 ASPH?
From: sonc.hegr at gmail.com (Sonny Carter)
Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2010 11:54:41 -0600
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On Mon, Mar 8, 2010 at 11:50 AM, Vince Passaro <passaro.vince at 
gmail.com>wrote:

> Mark --
>
> I wasn't rappping Leica at all, and I am probably less interested in bokeh
> than anyone on the list; I think it's the microbrewery-zone of photography,
> totally overrated, inclined toward the sweet and pretty. Its qualities
> certainly do not determine a good photograph. In short, I don't give a crap
> about bokeh.
>
> My point was meant to be a larger aesthetic one, to the effect that we
> might
> have crossed some line technologically where the physical technical
> capacities of the art form (photography in this case, but it has happened
> in
> many ways in other forms as well) now exceed the intention of the artist
> and
> the generally accepted intentions of artists traditionally. Which is why I
> suggested that for intimate scenes and street scenes I suspect I would like
> these lenses better in black and white: this is an argument in favor of the
> gesture that evokes the whole; in favor of a little bit of abstraction over
> the hyper-perfect rendition.  You are practical: you want the best tool
> available, and these certainly are the best and I wouldn't argue that for a
> second. I love sharpness in a photograph; but I'm accustomed to b&w film
> mainly... And as I noted, when taking a wider view these lenses to me eye
> are at their very best. But to see a street scene in color produced by an
> M9
> (or any other really top rate digital camera)  in combination with an ASPH
> lens is to see a photograph that is now working outside its seemingly
> intended genre. Part of photography's magic for me has always resided in
> its seeing as we see, only a little better, or I should say, smarter, which
> is to say, with a frame; and permanently instead of passingly.  But the way
> these lenses see the world is no longer evocative of how we see it and so
> the technology borders on the sentimental, if misapplied (broadly put, not
> how things are but how we wish them to be, in this case, perfectly outlined
> and detailed); which is why I said 'pornographic', for pornography is
> usually a vulgar sentimentalizing of the purely visual in the erotic.
>
> I'm sorry to anser at such length but answering is my way of thinking.
>
> V
>


You think too much.



-- 
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Sonny
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