Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2008/12/12
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]At 03:13 PM 12/12/2008, Seth Rosner wrote: >Interesting story, Larry. What lengths we go to for an image! Of course it >is a half-stop difference twixt 2,8 and 3,5. But I'll take your bet on the >older 2,8s being really 3,5s. That's not the way E.Leitz worked then or >Leica Camera works now. The 2,8 was introduced in 1958 simultaneously with >the first 8-glass 35/2 Summicron and the 90/2 Summicron and Leitz was >justifiably proud of these three ground-breaking lenses. There would have >been no sense in introducing a warmed-over, inferior performing >stretched-diaphragm lens with a brand-new 35mm 2,8 lens in the offing. >Take >a look at the lenses physically and you'll see the differences. And while >both are six-glass Gauss formulas, their cross-sections are visibly >different. Seth With all respect, at the time, E Leitz Wetzlar was only beginning to recover from the economic horrors caused by the Second World War and by the extraordinary cost to develop and produce the M film cameras which so many of the LUG, so they would do anything at all to stay afloat. But I do believe that you are correct and none of my literature suggests otherwise than that you have set out the true story with regard to the 3.5cm (NOT 35mm, mind you!) Summaron. I believe that Larry confused this lens with the 3.5/5cm and 2.8/5cm Elmars. Apocrypha has it that ELNY technicians attended a major chess championship match in your burg around 1950 (I can dredge the details: while I play the games, I follow neither championship Bridge nor Chess.) The tale has it that the lighting was dim and that Eisie told the technicians that he was having problems getting images suitable for publication, and that the technicians then told him that the lens would work well at f/2.8 and opened it up one-third of a stop (not half a stop, Larry) by adjusting the f-stop detents. They reported this to Wetzlar, who followed up by opening the Elmar to f/2.8 in production. There has been a lot of ink spilt on this matter. Is the tale true? Eisie said so but others have dissented. I discussed it once with Jim Lager who said that we will probably never know. Bob Schwalberg told me that the story must be true, as Eisie never inflated any of the accounts of his life. Ed Meyers has backed this up. I do not know but the optical design of the f/3.5 and f/2.8 versions of the 5cm Elmar appear identical, so it might well be. I acknowledge that Leitz/Leica has always been a company with a dedication to the utmost quality. At the same time, it is a commercial concern and simply has to make money to ensure that its creditors are paid and that its employees got their paychecks. The fat days were between 1958 and 1968, when the Leitz family earned a hefty income from the success of the M cameras, monies which they lost in the 1970's as they tried to keep the firm afloat. If there are memorials in heaven for moral and committed capitalists, the Leitz family certainly deserves a plaque, right alongside those for Heinz K?ppenbender and both Franke and Heidecke. Post-War Germany was POOR and the "Economic Miracle" was a decade away. We in the US cannot understand this. Take one example. Following VE Day, the management of the KdF-Wagen plant in Wolfsburg (now, VW) were most uncertain of their fate. Senior management had fled as most were on the War Crimes List. The Allies had indicated that the plant was to be seized and its machinery turned over to the Soviets. There was no money coming in. There were bills to pay. There was no money in the bank. VW sirvoved through some sagacious decisions by the remaining management. The plant had been bombed and they worked a deal iout with the British Army, Wolfsburg then being in the British Zone, for some tentage, which they used to block the holes it the roof. The swap was for maintenance of British trucks. Industrial machinery is not easily damaged by bombing: aerial recon shots of Tokyo show this well, with a drill-press or lathe appearing in every fourth house, the houses being burned to the ground. Then they began swapping steel and the like in return for KdF-wagens for the British Army of the Rhine, as it came to be called. That kept the company afloat in terms of income and outgo but what about the workers? Management went to the extent of going to the local banks and guaranteeing the debts of its employees. For four years, the employees were paid in British Army rations together with a statement of the monies owned them. In 1947, VW exported three cars to the US. By 1948, VW was making enough to allow it to pay off all that promised money to the banks and to begin investing in a new roof for its principal factory. The rest is history. E Leitz and Franke und Heidecoe received a pass from the Allies due to their Warttime resistance to the use of slave labor, as did the Carl Zeiss Foundation folks -- their head, Heinz K?ppenbender, both was charged by the Nazis as being delinquent in sending folks to the death camps -and by the Allies as a war criminal, all chres being dismissed -- , Lesson Two will involve the imact of the friendly deal with the PX system. Marc msmall@aya.yale.edu Cha robh b?s fir gun ghr?s fir!