Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2006/11/18
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]Howard, you supplied what is probably a well reasoned scientific post. Most of which I can follow! I'm not at all a technophobe but my brain starts to rebel when I read "There are inherent inequalities in the detective quantum efficiency of the sensor ..." Yikes. I'm shooting with the M3 today to get my head straight. Cheers Hoppy -----Original Message----- From: lug-bounces+hoppyman=bigpond.net.au@leica-users.org [mailto:lug-bounces+hoppyman=bigpond.net.au@leica-users.org] On Behalf Of HOWARD L RITTER Sent: Sunday, 19 November 2006 07:31 To: Leica Users Group Subject: Re: [Leica] It ain't alright.... "Fix it in SW" Frank-- The fix is not as simple as a magenta-subtracting coating. If the problem were excessive sensitivity to a combination of visible wavelengths that causes a magenta cast in the final interpretation of the color balance, then that's basically irrelevant in an engineering sense. This is a fixed proportioning, in visible colors, of the differential responses of the individual pixels. It's just a matter of how the numbers of electrons in the wells corresponding to the R, G, and B pixels are interpreted in software. There are inherent inequalities in the detective quantum efficiency of the sensor at different wavelengths in the first place, and this differential efficiency has to be accounted for in the camera design, either in the particulars of the color filters over each pixel or in firmware processing of the signal. However, if I understand correctly, the problem is that infrared wavelengths, which are not perceived visually and are disregarded in any process of presentation of the final image (monitor, printer, etc.), are inappropriately detected by the photon-detecting elements in such proportions as to be interpreted as magenta. Thus the recommendation of an IR filter, because this problem is, in any rigorous or non-arbitrary way, impossible to fix in software. There is obviously no way for any algorithm to distinguish between those electrons in R, G, and B wells generated by photons of (visible) wavelengths that constitute the color perceived as magenta on the one hand and, on the other hand, those generated by IR wavelengths. And the admixture of IR to visible differs arbitrarily from point to point in any picture, just as the colors do, so it's not a matter of subtracting some constant in SW. In the first case, a separate "magenta-minus" filter or coating would be clumsy and completely unnecessary, and a software "fix" (not a fix, just a proper setting of engineering variables) no issue at all, either unnecessary because of filter selection, or trivial and inconsequential. In the second case, the addition of an IR-minus filter is the only rigorous solution, short of technology that results in sensors that are simply insensitive to invisible wavelengths like IR. Apparently it is not feasible to build IR rejection into the R/G/B pixel filters, as it is usual to build in this function as a plate in front of the sensor, but apparently this was optically not feasible in the case of the M8. Any software "fix" would be a compromise that risks having arbitrary elements, and this is why Leica recommends the inelegant filter solution. --howard