Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2005/04/14

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Subject: [Leica] Newbie question about frame line accuracy
From: scott at adrenaline.com (Scott McLoughlin)
Date: Thu Apr 14 18:45:16 2005
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Ah, that makes sense. Thanks.

Scott


Henning Wulff wrote:

> At 1:21 PM -0400 4/14/05, Scott McLoughlin wrote:
>
>> Why aren't the framelines in the M's (I have a TTL) very
>> accurate for framing?  Is there some special technical challenge
>> involved?
>>
>> Scott
>
>
> Rangefinders have two issues which make accurate framing close to 
> impossible. One is parallax, 'cause you're viewing the subject from a 
> different point than the lens sees it. Leicas, and most other RFs deal 
> with this by moving the frame lines towards the lens as the lens is 
> focussed closer. This is purely a function of the distance, so all 
> frame lines can move the same amount.
>
> The other is the fact that a lens, as it's moved away from the body 
> sees a narrower angle of view. A 50mm lens moves some 4mm or so away 
> from the body to focus at .7m. So instead of 51mm or so, it's now 
> acting like a 55mm. I didn't do the math re: the extension, or look up 
> the actual focal length of Leica lenses, but the ballpark is right.
>
> Leica has designed the framelines so that at closest focussing 
> distance, nothing gets cut off if you're shooting slides - the worst 
> condition. So that defines the narrowest angle of view. If you shoot 
> negatives at infinity that means that your viewfinder showed a lot 
> more than you have on your negatives.
>
> Since you have to move a longer focal length lens a lot more to focus 
> at the same distance, the longer lenses have the greater error when 
> shooting at infinity. 21mm lenses will be quite close; 135s have a 
> _lot_ more on the neg at infinity.
>
> The above means that medium format cameras, or any other larger format 
> cameras have a lot more problems, as the 'standard' lens might be an 
> 80 or 90, and therefore must extend a lot more for closer distances. 
> That's why they sometimes have the feature that the framelines narrow 
> and widen as you focus, to more accurately frame the picture. Cameras 
> like the Koni-Omega had that. It does add complexity and sometimes 
> caused problems as well as initial expense, but there were less 
> framelines in those cameras compared with the Leicas as well. There 
> were some 35's that had that feature as well.
>
> Leicas of all vintages used the same criteria for frame lines. M3 
> frame lines appear to be more accurate, but that was only because it 
> was designed to focus to 1m (for lenses without eyes), and that meant 
> that the extension of the lenses, and therefore the constriction of 
> the angle of view was less.
>



In reply to: Message from scott at adrenaline.com (Scott McLoughlin) ([Leica] Newbie question about frame line accuracy)
Message from henningw at archiphoto.com (Henning Wulff) ([Leica] Newbie question about frame line accuracy)