Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2004/08/15
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]Folks: I frequently encounter shadow noise in my scans. I can usually work around it, but I'm wondering if there is something I can do--perhaps while scanning--to minimize it. Have a look at this: http://users.2alpha.com/~pklein/temp/noise.jpg This picture was taken with an M6TTL and CV 50/1.5 Nokton, on Kodak T400CN rated 400. It was taken in a dim reception hall, but the subjects were illuminated by a shaft of light from some nearby large windows, and I exposed for them, not the background. The scanner is a Canon FS-4000, run at 4000 dpi and driven by VueScan. I scan to 16 bit TIFF, and use Picture Window Pro in 16 bit mode for my editing. The various versions of the picture are shown at 1/3 actual pixels. The leftmost image is of the scan pretty much out of the scanner (I'd spotted and cropped, but that's all). You can see the noise in the darkest areas. This is the kind of noise I am often plagued with. It tends to happen more often in available light pictures than well-lit outdoor shots. It doesn't show much on a 5x7 quadtone print, but is quite prominent on an 8x10. And if I get the same negative printed in a wet darkroom, the noise isn't there. The center image is what I ended up with after curves, contrast, and sharpening (the latter using a mask so only the people were sharpened, not the surrounding area). I've dropped the background to nearly jet-black, but there are still lots of noise speckles. And I've lost some gradation in the girl's hair. The righthand image has been noise-filtered with NeatImage before curves, etc. I used it sparingly so it wouldn't soften or "plasticize" the image too much. It's helped, but the noise still shows up--more in a print that on the screen. I've found that most of the time, when I use NeatImage or Picture Window's Despeckle feature, I can only get rid of some of the noise before the image gets messed up. What might I try to get rid of this noise? Is there anything can I do to minimize it during the scan? I've tried the multiple exposure feature in VueScan, and it doesn't really help with this type of noise. BTW, here's the whole picture. This one is a reduction of the Costco CD Jpeg I got when the film was developed. They went way dark, so you see no shadow noise (or detail). http://users.2alpha.com/~pklein/JonAntionWedding/Show/JonAntionWedding/slide_13.jpg Thanks, --Peter Klein Seattle, WA