Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2004/07/17
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]> > And as far as I know, there is no requirement for US citizens to carry > > or produce ID, so long as no law has been violated. How much longer > > will it be before police can arbitrarily demand "papers" from anyone > > they like? > > > Sadly the supreme court ruling last week ruled that you to identify > yourself when an officer asks. > Mark that freedom off our list. > > Freedom is the axis of evil. It is inefficient, insecure, and > ineffective at controlling the masses. > Actually, in 18 States or some such there are/were laws which require you to identify yourself to law enforcement or produce ID in certain specific circumstance (usually around the "reasonable suspicion" idea below). Various Supreme Court decisions had limited those to some degree going back to the 70's or earlier (Terry v. Ohio and Brown v. Texas etc) I believe the recent Hiibel v. Sixth Judicial District Court of Nevada Supreme Court case basically set out (or at least strongly "hinted") that the most that can be required before the is a violation is a person identify themselves to law enforcement when they have 'reasonable suspicion' (which is different from 'probable cause') that you are engaged in criminal activity or have information regarding the criminal activity of others. But "identify" means just that - you must tell them your name. Unless you chose to do otherwise (i.e. produce ID) that is all that can be required. As I've never even played a lawyer on TV, I'm sure the LUG legal beagles will put me right on this...