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Subject: Re: [Leica] Inspired but arrested
From: Daniel Ridings <daniel.ridings@muspro.uio.no>
Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 19:18:08 +0100 (MET)
References: <004f01c3c8a0$72849540$6501a8c0@CCA4A5EF37E11E> <Pine.SOL.4.58-L.0312221757320.22096@hedvig.uio.no> <013001c3c8b0$a686d780$6b01a8c0@wbalaw.com>

Thanks Keith. All of that is self-evident for public places. But are malls
public places?

Daniel

On Mon, 22 Dec 2003, Keith R. Wessel wrote:

> I do not know about Illinois.  You probably could not do this in Wisconsin:
>
> (3) Public place of accommodation or amusement.
>
>   (a) No person may do any of the following:
>
>   1. Deny to another or charge another a higher price than the
> regular rate for the full and equal enjoyment of any public place
> of accommodation or amusement because of sex, race, color, creed,
> disability, sexual orientation, national origin or ancestry.
>
>   1m. Deny to an adult or charge an adult a higher price than the
> regular rate for the full and equal enjoyment of a lodging
> establishment because of age, subject to s. 125.07.
>
>   2. Give preferential treatment to some classes of persons in
> providing services or facilities in any public place of
> accommodation or amusement because of sex, race, color, creed,
> sexual orientation, national origin or ancestry.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Daniel Ridings" <daniel.ridings@muspro.uio.no>
> To: <leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us>
> Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 10:59 AM
> Subject: RE: [Leica] Inspired but arrested
>
>
> > So ... access to the news is governed by access to money (private
> > property). So I could open a mall in a suburb to Chicago, bar all
> > non-white ethnic groups, and if I had enough sympathetic white customers
> > (who would not let themselves be interviewed outside the mall) then this
> > would be totally legal?
> >
> > Hmmm ... South Africa tried this for quite a while, but it didn't work in
> > the long run.
> >
> > I still say wierd, and wierder for every minute.
> >
> > Daniel
> >
> >
> > On Mon, 22 Dec 2003, B. D. Colen wrote:
> >
> > > Yes, a journalist WOULD have to get permission to interview people in
> > > the mall IF the journalist was challenged by mall employees. Freedom of
> > > the press does not give one the right to break laws; it gives one the
> > > right to publish information one gathers. While police departments,
> > > other local governmental authorities, and Congress, may chose to give
> > > journalists certain privileges or rights, I'm unaware of any immunity
> > > from trespassing laws.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us
> > > [mailto:owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us] On Behalf Of Keith R.
> > > Wessel
> > > Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 10:08 AM
> > > To: leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us
> > > Subject: Re: [Leica] Inspired but arrested
> > >
> > >
> > > > Let's say the mall in in a posh outer suburb but that there are
> > > > communication lines with the inner-city scum so that they turn up at
> > > > the mall and bother these beautiful people out in the burbs. So the
> > > > owners of the private property start barring certain elements from
> > > > their malls. They hurt the neighborhood, so to say.
> > > >
> > > > Now this would be news. Would the journalist have to go to the PR
> > > > people of the mall and ask their permission to do an article on racial
> > >
> > > > discrimination at the mall?
> > >
> > > Excellent point.  It begs the question as to whether we as a society
> > > seek to exclude the undesirables.  I think that has been done with some
> > > success in India.  We once had a "Great Society" movement in this
> > > country to provide opportunity for the less privileged.
> > >
> > > I am somewhat troubled by the distinction between journalist and
> > > documentarian.  Do the wonderful photographs posted today by John
> > > Beeching not provide an historical slice of life which deserves respect
> > > equal to that of the breaking news journalist?
> > >
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In reply to: Message from "B. D. Colen" <bdcolen@earthlink.net> (RE: [Leica] Inspired but arrested)
Message from Daniel Ridings <daniel.ridings@muspro.uio.no> (RE: [Leica] Inspired but arrested)
Message from "Keith R. Wessel" <keith@wbalaw.com> (Re: [Leica] Inspired but arrested)