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Subject: Re: [Leica] Inspired but arrested
From: RUBEN BLÆDEL <ruben@rhodos.dk>
Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 09:24:17 +0100
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Daniel

The "allemansrätt" is one of the best things of Sweden ! The only part were I have encountered problems is the difinition of "a yard" - most people,  many Swedes, think of a yard as something with trimmed gras, flowers and a nice little white fence were I in my Little Torp (very small hous in the woods in Sweden) love to have my yard growing close to wild - does encounter some funny situations though most of the time, people tend to hurry away if the see me walking around half nacked with a weelbarrel - regards and happy christmas - ruben 



Daniel Ridings wrote:

>The whole idea of a public place ... because it is, anyone and everyone is
>welcome to be there, can be subject to private whims and not the same laws
>that govern other public places. My definition of public places is not
>"somewhere financed by tax-payers' money".
>
>We had a similar discussion in Gothenburg. There is a movement to publish
>high quality magazines. These are then given to people who would otherwise
>be pan-handling. They sell them instead of begging.
>
>One "mall" or "private place" tried to run them off. I forget the whole
>process (I knew it was so absurd to call a mall "private" that I didn't
>even pay much attention).
>
>We have something in Sweden called "allemansrätt" (every-man's-right). It
>is not possible to put up a sign "No trespassing". It's not a law, it's
>just a tradition right going back as far as anyone can remember, at least
>the 1500's.
>
>According to "allemansrätt" I may go out pick berries, mushrooms, flowers,
>fallen limbs (to make wreathes, for example. You can't cut down a tree,
>but you can take branches from trees that have already fallen) or just
>walk around. I can do this as long as I do not disturb the privacy of the
>owner ... that is, I can't walk into their yard and pick flowers, but I
>can go anywhere else on their land. I can take pictures, I can start small
>fires (with discretion), I can camp out all night on their land without
>asking.
>
>To say I can't take a picture in a mall.
>
>Not only wierd, but pure stupidity. I wonder where that idea comes from?
>
>Daniel
>
>
>On Sun, 21 Dec 2003, B. D. Colen wrote:
>
>  
>
>>What's so weird?
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us
>>[mailto:owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us] On Behalf Of Daniel
>>Ridings
>>Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2003 5:36 PM
>>To: leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us
>>Subject: Re: [Leica] Inspired but arrested
>>
>>
>>    
>>
>>>After all, a Mall isn't like walking down the street, it's privately
>>>      
>>>
>>owned
>>    
>>
>>>and controlled by the   rules and regulations set by the owners and no
>>>amount of posturing, my rights etc., are going to let you off the
>>>hook.
>>>      
>>>
>>Wierd, really wierd.
>>
>>Daniel
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In reply to: Message from "B. D. Colen" <bdcolen@earthlink.net> (RE: [Leica] Inspired but arrested)
Message from Daniel Ridings <daniel.ridings@muspro.uio.no> (RE: [Leica] Inspired but arrested)