Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2003/12/17
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]It is almost x.mas - kiss and make up! B. D. Colen wrote: >You're absolutely right. > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us >[mailto:owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us] On Behalf Of Gerry >Walden >Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 1:27 PM >To: leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us >Subject: RE: [Leica] Miserable Failure > > >Is there any chance of you two taking your quarrel off-list. You are >both very respected members of this list and such squabbles belittle >both of you. > >Gerry > >Gerry Walden LRPS >www.gwpics.com >Tel: 023 8046 3076 > >PLEASE NOTE CHANGE OF PREFERRED EMAIL ADDRESS! > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us >[mailto:owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us]On Behalf Of B. D. Colen >Sent: 17 December 2003 17:13 >To: leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us >Subject: RE: [Leica] Miserable Failure > > >Pardon me, Doug - But that is absolute and total horseshit that I had >been "pushing the Olympus digital stuff long before" I'd told the list >that I was being supported by them. I have always said that I think the >Olympus Stylus Epic is THE point-and-shoot film camera bargain of all >times; and that had nothing to do with a relationship with Olympus >because I didn't have one. Aside from that, I wasn't pushing a damn >thing - hell, I didn't know anything about the equipment prior to my >getting it. > >As to your paying any attention to my opinion on SLR equipment, I quite >frankly don't care if you do or don't evaluate it - I've been shooting >with SLR equipment of various kinds since about 1964; I do not have a >"virulent dislike" of the equipment you shoot with - I just think that >it is grossly overpriced for what it is, and I have always believed, and >still believe, that Leica has been consistently a good 10 years or more >behind the SLR curve. But what I have always said, over and over and >over, is that what matters is what works for the individual - if you >could get the kind of fantastic images you manage to get and could do it >using Holgas, you'd be crazy to switch to anything else. > >But you really might think about why it so obviously gets so deeply >under your skin to have Leica criticized. > >And - I'd appreciate it if you'd stick to facts when discussing my >relationship with Olympus and what I have and haven't told the list >about it. > >B. D. > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us >[mailto:owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us] On Behalf Of Douglas >Herr >Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 11:57 AM >To: leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us >Subject: RE: [Leica] Miserable Failure > > >BD, I don't particularly care whether you're on Olympus' payroll or not. >You'd been pushing the Oly digital stuff long before you'd told the list >they were supporting you, just as Erwin was spouting flowery praise on >new Leica gear long before he was obviously on their payroll. I'll have >to take you at your word that you're telling us the straight scoop. It >really doesn't matter much to me whether you're on their payroll or not. >If I valued your opinions on SLR equipment then it might matter but >since you have a virulent dislike for the equipment that works for me >then it's clear you don't know what I value in photographic equipment so >your experience with the Oly doesn't relate to my needs. > >Doug Herr >Birdman of Sacramento >http://www.wildlightphoto.com > > >-----Original Message----- >From: "B. D. Colen" <bdcolen@earthlink.net> >Sent: Dec 17, 2003 8:29 AM >To: leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us >Subject: RE: [Leica] Miserable Failure > > >No, Doug - Erwin's extolling Leica certainly doesn't mean that you have >to go out and buy what he was pushing...But your "never questioning >whether Erwin was on Leica's payroll," and your "not giving a hoot" >whether he was, makes it see more than a bit odd that you would think >that I should mention my relationship with Olympus - they give me free >equipment and feature my work - "each time" I "extol" their virtues - >especially given the fact that, unlike Erwin, I have been completely >upfront about my conflict of interest. What is it, if it's a Leica >conflict it's irrelevant, but if it's a conflict connnected to another >manufacturer it's important? Come on, Doug, you're better than that. :-) > > >B. D. > > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us >[mailto:owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us] On Behalf Of Doug Herr >Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 8:56 PM >To: leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us >Subject: Re: [Leica] Miserable Failure > > >on 12/16/03 2:12 PM, B. D. Colen at bdcolen@earthlink.net wrote: > > > >>Well go spend some time in the archives, Doug, and refresh your >>recollection - you'll see that depending on how you want to read what, >> >> > > > >>either the first or second day I explained - in full - my relationship >> >> > > > >>with Olympus. BTW, did you EVER raise a single question about Mr. >>Puts' relationship with Leica? Or were you one of those - the vast >>majority of those who expressed themselves on the subject on this list >> >> > > > >>- who couldn't seem to grasp my asking questions about conflicts of >>interest? >>;-) >> >> >> > >Calm yerself B.D., I've over 50 and I don't recollect like I used to. I >think for the sake of newbies and us old codgers you ought ter mention >somthin about Olympus giving you the goods each time you extol their >virtues. And BTW I never questioned whether Erwin was on Leica's >payroll 'cuz I don't give a hoot whether he is or not. He's a good >technician and in his private newsletters (now discontinued) he also >praised good products of other brands. So what? Does that mean I have >to go out and buy what Erwin says? > >Doug Herr >Birdman of Sacramento >http://www.wildlightphoto.com > > >-- >To unsubscribe, see http://mejac.palo-alto.ca.us/leica-users/unsub.html > >-- >To unsubscribe, see http://mejac.palo-alto.ca.us/leica-users/unsub.html > >-- >To unsubscribe, see http://mejac.palo-alto.ca.us/leica-users/unsub.html > >-- >To unsubscribe, see http://mejac.palo-alto.ca.us/leica-users/unsub.html > > > >-- >To unsubscribe, see http://mejac.palo-alto.ca.us/leica-users/unsub.html > >-- >To unsubscribe, see http://mejac.palo-alto.ca.us/leica-users/unsub.html > > > - -- To unsubscribe, see http://mejac.palo-alto.ca.us/leica-users/unsub.html