Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2003/12/17
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]You don't need to respond to this Doug, but as you have, in effect, chosen to impugn my integrity on list, I'd really appreciate it if you'd spend a bit of time in the archives to find what you think are the times in the distant past it which I shilled for Olympus. I know you're full of shit on this, and if you're going to be honest with yourself - so do you. Best B. D. - -----Original Message----- From: owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us [mailto:owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us] On Behalf Of Douglas Herr Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 12:22 PM To: leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us Subject: RE: [Leica] Miserable Failure BD, believe what you wish. I'll not discuss this further with you on or off list. Doug Herr Birdman of Sacramento http://www.wildlightphoto.com - -----Original Message----- From: "B. D. Colen" <bdcolen@earthlink.net> Sent: Dec 17, 2003 9:13 AM To: leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us Subject: RE: [Leica] Miserable Failure Pardon me, Doug - But that is absolute and total horseshit that I had been "pushing the Olympus digital stuff long before" I'd told the list that I was being supported by them. I have always said that I think the Olympus Stylus Epic is THE point-and-shoot film camera bargain of all times; and that had nothing to do with a relationship with Olympus because I didn't have one. Aside from that, I wasn't pushing a damn thing - hell, I didn't know anything about the equipment prior to my getting it. As to your paying any attention to my opinion on SLR equipment, I quite frankly don't care if you do or don't evaluate it - I've been shooting with SLR equipment of various kinds since about 1964; I do not have a "virulent dislike" of the equipment you shoot with - I just think that it is grossly overpriced for what it is, and I have always believed, and still believe, that Leica has been consistently a good 10 years or more behind the SLR curve. But what I have always said, over and over and over, is that what matters is what works for the individual - if you could get the kind of fantastic images you manage to get and could do it using Holgas, you'd be crazy to switch to anything else. But you really might think about why it so obviously gets so deeply under your skin to have Leica criticized. And - I'd appreciate it if you'd stick to facts when discussing my relationship with Olympus and what I have and haven't told the list about it. B. D. - -----Original Message----- From: owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us [mailto:owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us] On Behalf Of Douglas Herr Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 11:57 AM To: leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us Subject: RE: [Leica] Miserable Failure BD, I don't particularly care whether you're on Olympus' payroll or not. You'd been pushing the Oly digital stuff long before you'd told the list they were supporting you, just as Erwin was spouting flowery praise on new Leica gear long before he was obviously on their payroll. I'll have to take you at your word that you're telling us the straight scoop. It really doesn't matter much to me whether you're on their payroll or not. If I valued your opinions on SLR equipment then it might matter but since you have a virulent dislike for the equipment that works for me then it's clear you don't know what I value in photographic equipment so your experience with the Oly doesn't relate to my needs. Doug Herr Birdman of Sacramento http://www.wildlightphoto.com - -----Original Message----- From: "B. D. Colen" <bdcolen@earthlink.net> Sent: Dec 17, 2003 8:29 AM To: leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us Subject: RE: [Leica] Miserable Failure No, Doug - Erwin's extolling Leica certainly doesn't mean that you have to go out and buy what he was pushing...But your "never questioning whether Erwin was on Leica's payroll," and your "not giving a hoot" whether he was, makes it see more than a bit odd that you would think that I should mention my relationship with Olympus - they give me free equipment and feature my work - "each time" I "extol" their virtues - especially given the fact that, unlike Erwin, I have been completely upfront about my conflict of interest. What is it, if it's a Leica conflict it's irrelevant, but if it's a conflict connnected to another manufacturer it's important? Come on, Doug, you're better than that. :-) B. D. - -----Original Message----- From: owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us [mailto:owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us] On Behalf Of Doug Herr Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 8:56 PM To: leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us Subject: Re: [Leica] Miserable Failure on 12/16/03 2:12 PM, B. D. Colen at bdcolen@earthlink.net wrote: > Well go spend some time in the archives, Doug, and refresh your > recollection - you'll see that depending on how you want to read what, > either the first or second day I explained - in full - my relationship > with Olympus. BTW, did you EVER raise a single question about Mr. > Puts' relationship with Leica? Or were you one of those - the vast > majority of those who expressed themselves on the subject on this list > - who couldn't seem to grasp my asking questions about conflicts of > interest? > ;-) > Calm yerself B.D., I've over 50 and I don't recollect like I used to. I think for the sake of newbies and us old codgers you ought ter mention somthin about Olympus giving you the goods each time you extol their virtues. And BTW I never questioned whether Erwin was on Leica's payroll 'cuz I don't give a hoot whether he is or not. He's a good technician and in his private newsletters (now discontinued) he also praised good products of other brands. So what? Does that mean I have to go out and buy what Erwin says? Doug Herr Birdman of Sacramento http://www.wildlightphoto.com - -- To unsubscribe, see http://mejac.palo-alto.ca.us/leica-users/unsub.html - -- To unsubscribe, see http://mejac.palo-alto.ca.us/leica-users/unsub.html - -- To unsubscribe, see http://mejac.palo-alto.ca.us/leica-users/unsub.html - -- To unsubscribe, see http://mejac.palo-alto.ca.us/leica-users/unsub.html - -- To unsubscribe, see http://mejac.palo-alto.ca.us/leica-users/unsub.html - -- To unsubscribe, see http://mejac.palo-alto.ca.us/leica-users/unsub.html