Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2003/12/17

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Subject: RE: [Leica] Miserable Failure
From: Douglas Herr <telyt@earthlink.net>
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 08:57:27 -0800 (GMT-08:00)

BD, I don't particularly care whether you're on Olympus' payroll or not.  You'd been pushing the Oly digital stuff long before you'd told the list they were supporting you, just as Erwin was spouting flowery praise on new Leica gear long before he was obviously on their payroll.  I'll have to take you at your word that you're telling us the straight scoop.  It really doesn't matter much to me whether you're on their payroll or not.  If I valued your opinions on SLR equipment then it might matter but since you have a virulent dislike for the equipment that works for me then it's clear you don't know what I value in photographic equipment so your experience with the Oly doesn't relate to my needs.

Doug Herr
Birdman of Sacramento
http://www.wildlightphoto.com


- -----Original Message-----
From: "B. D. Colen" <bdcolen@earthlink.net>
Sent: Dec 17, 2003 8:29 AM
To: leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us
Subject: RE: [Leica] Miserable Failure


No, Doug - Erwin's extolling Leica certainly doesn't mean that you have
to go out and buy what he was pushing...But your "never questioning
whether Erwin was on Leica's payroll," and your "not giving a hoot"
whether he was, makes it see more than a bit odd that you would think
that I should mention my relationship with Olympus - they give me free
equipment and feature my work - "each time" I "extol" their virtues -
especially given the fact that, unlike Erwin, I have been completely
upfront about my conflict of interest. What is it, if it's a Leica
conflict it's irrelevant, but if it's a conflict connnected to another
manufacturer it's important? Come on, Doug, you're better than that. :-)


B. D.


- -----Original Message-----
From: owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us
[mailto:owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us] On Behalf Of Doug Herr
Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 8:56 PM
To: leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us
Subject: Re: [Leica] Miserable Failure


on 12/16/03 2:12 PM, B. D. Colen at bdcolen@earthlink.net wrote:

> Well go spend some time in the archives, Doug, and refresh your 
> recollection - you'll see that depending on how you want to read what,

> either the first or second day I explained - in full - my relationship

> with Olympus. BTW, did you EVER raise a single question about Mr. 
> Puts' relationship with Leica? Or were you one of those - the vast 
> majority of those who expressed themselves on the subject on this list

> - who couldn't seem to grasp my asking questions about conflicts of 
> interest?
> ;-)
>

Calm yerself B.D., I've over 50 and I don't recollect like I used to.  I
think for the sake of newbies and us old codgers you ought ter mention
somthin about Olympus giving you the goods each time you extol their
virtues.  And BTW I never questioned whether Erwin was on Leica's
payroll 'cuz I don't give a hoot whether he is or not.  He's a good
technician and in his private newsletters (now discontinued) he also
praised good products of other brands.  So what?  Does that mean I have
to go out and buy what Erwin says?

Doug Herr
Birdman of Sacramento
http://www.wildlightphoto.com


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