Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2003/12/08
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]Allow me to throw a rotten tomato into this discussion and suggest that self-promotion has been an important aspect of the successful artists repertoire not for the last several decades, but rather for the last millennium. Do you really think that the successful artists of the renaissance weren't inveterate self-promoters? Obviously the self-promotion took different forms - sucking up to rich princes, sleeping with rich princesses, etc., but it's always been part of the game. Virtually any artist who wanted to sell work in his or her life-time, rather than wait to be discovered after death, had to be a self-promoter. B. D. - -----Original Message----- From: owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us [mailto:owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us] On Behalf Of Saganich, Christopher/Medical Physics Sent: Monday, December 08, 2003 5:18 PM To: leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us Subject: RE: [Leica] #$@%$^ art photographers Yes, self-promotion has been incorporated into art and this has been going on for decades. It is the only proper art form in what some call this post modern age. I can't think of any well any know artists who's art isn't 1st self promotion with a bit of paint or photo thrown in, and the really good artists have actually shown us something about ourselves and the world as an extra bonus. The proper mind set is "self as art", then self-promotion, then through tireless work and dedication you might uncover some elemental truth and make someone care about it. Chris Saganich - -----Original Message----- From: owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us [mailto:owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us] On Behalf Of Kit McChesney Sent: Monday, December 08, 2003 4:00 PM To: leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us Subject: RE: [Leica] #$@%$^ art photographers Remember, art and money do not necessarily have any relationship with one another. Just because something sells is irrelevant (though very nice for the seller). Remember all those artists who never sold a thing and whose work was later discovered to be revolutionary in terms of how it expanded our vision of the world, whatever the medium (painting, photographs, music, dance, whatever the medium). People who sell well are often very good marketers. That's an art in and of itself. Might ought to be considered an integral part of the art of the work itself. Self-promotion is an essential skill, no matter how bad your work is. ;-) Kit - -----Original Message----- From: owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us [mailto:owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us] On Behalf Of Joseph Codispoti Sent: Monday, December 08, 2003 1:15 PM To: leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us Subject: Re: [Leica] #$@%$^ art photographers Kyle, As you know, art, like beauty, is in the eye of the beholder. As a left-brained photographer I loath so called "art photography" that to me seems more like excuses for failed photographs. Even the cover you like ("http://www.artinamericamagazine.com/" ) does nothing for me. Maybe it would if it adorned the cover of a chiropractic magazine. Even your "Fallen" series do nothing for me but then it is only my perception. Others may find value in them and that in itself has value. Many years ago a British artist laid a sheet of plywood in the center of a public square, threw a few buckets of paint on it and then drove over it with his MG to leave tire imprints all over it. I consider that a stunt more than art but, then, it is hard to argue when he sold it for $12,000 on the spot. Joe From: "Kyle Cassidy" <KCassidy@asc.upenn.edu> > Well ... I'm nothing if not an art photographer (lord knows I'm not > any _other_ kind of photographer), and I disagree with these sweeping > generalizations of art photography. Certianly there's a lot of crap > out there. Recently I saw some large cibacrhomes of single colors (why > paint rothcoe when you can photograph it), and I think cindy sherman's > doll photos > are beyond garbage, but in art galleries you find sally mann and anna > gaskill and any other number of very talented people. I like the photo > on the cover of this months art in america > "http://www.artinamericamagazine.com/" and I think Erwin Wurm is > funny. Now. > What "art photography" might be interpreted as in your local art > gallery, might vary. In some places, thomas kinkade gets his stuff > hung on walls. Go > figure that one out and explain it to me. - -- To unsubscribe, see http://mejac.palo-alto.ca.us/leica-users/unsub.html - -- To unsubscribe, see http://mejac.palo-alto.ca.us/leica-users/unsub.html ===================================================================== Please note that this e-mail and any files transmitted with it may be privileged, confidential, and protected from disclosure under applicable law. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or an employee or agent responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any reading, dissemination, distribution, copying, or other use of this communication or any of its attachments is strictly prohibited. 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