Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2003/11/18
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]Kit The people you mention here „“Only the civil rights movement, women’s suffrage, the GLBT rights movement, organized labour, and a slew of other groups of people in struggle have helped create the society that you admire. And it is only through constant vigilance that we can ensure that those rights are maintained and respected““ are the people that will be imprisoned tortured and killed in the countries I mention - and as it might has been when the USA supporting darlings like Pinochet in Chile and the Sha in Iran - I might be naive but I truly hope that „get rid of the dictator - get a democracy - get some money to start over“ politics will work I do not want the rest of the world to adapt USA values and I do not think that Barbie Dolls can contribute to woman lib in Afghanistan but this time it looked like something happened - for once Due to very loose rules of immigration we have had a large amount of immigrants from states I would refer to as Fundamentalist. We have had a very tolerant welfare programme allowing them to bring their entire family to live on welfare and before we new it we became a magnet in a sense. That would be very good if it had not backfired totally. These people send their money back to terror networks and they even set up cells in our country along with their Imams using our freedom of speech do declare that we are infidels disserving to die and that the woman of our country are whores and so on. Even though we have used billions and billions of $ to try to integrate them in our community, extra support in languages schools etc. etc. it is like they will not be a part of our society - they rule by their own traditional head of the clan system - forced weddings - punish anyone within their own community that tries to reach out- get an education or merry an Dane. They are still an enormous burden to our welfare system - they have the lowest rate of skills and the next generation born in this country has a crime rate so much higher then the rest. But it is not like in the USA - they do not decent from slaves and so on - they have had all opportunities to start fresh but in their ignorance the choose to bring a long the black medieval times. This is why I refer to them as they - if somebody let me into their country - feed me - housed me and gave me the chance to educate my self I would send the money I was given back to were I came from to support terrorism - I would not force my daughters to go around in Burkas in a modern society and I would not enrole with activities undermining the society that feed me. I believe that you Kit along with the people you respect and share thoughts with on this whole issue will be able to make an impact on the politics performed by the USA but your allies outside the USA will not be the ones that shout anti-American statements and burning your flag - your allies will be people that respect your country and because of that respect and a lot of gratitude will try to put a pressure to the president that no one seems to have elected - and get him to think straight. I sill believe that Islamic Fundamentalism is the number one greatest threat to the world peace and stability because it is circle around some very sick, very irrational and very intolerant people - but that does not mean that I do not respect the Islamic faith equally with all other religions. The war in Iraq is not a religious war - but it is a project that did not go the way one could have wished but that is as much the fault of fundamentalist groups trying to break down any steep towards democracy in Iraq I entered this discussing as a result of being feed up by so much anti-Americanism in Europe you would believe I did not enter it to praise your president. best- ruben Kit McChesney wrote: >I'd also say that the power and energy that have actually created the >society that you admire, Ruben, comes from people who have not been >satisfied with the status quo, who have pushed for more human rights, for >all people, by constantly criticizing the U.S. government and its policies. >The founding fathers did write a document about all "men" being created >equal. But they excluded those who had been enslaved from that equation. >They were themselves slaveowners and somehow refused to see the hypocrisy of >their ways. > >Only the civil rights movement, women's suffrage, the GLBT rights movement, >organized labor, and a slew of other groups of people in struggle have >helped create the society that you admire. And it is only through constant >vigilance that we can ensure that those rights are maintained and respected. > > >Kit > >== > >Ruben wrote: > >"Kit, > >First of all this is in no way an attack on people of islamic faith nor >on people with aa other ethnic background then my own > >"I think that they are definetly they" >I have no respect nor can I in any way feel sorry for people who kills >inocent women and children >I have no respect for people that proclaims a fatwa on you if you >critises their religion >Why is it that all muslim countries are poor >Why is it when a country becomes muslim it turns even poorer >Why is it that in Muslim states analfabetism is so much higher then in >other societys >Why is it that no Mulsim state practice basic Human rights >Why is it that the royal family of Saudi Arabia spend 250 mi USD on >sommer hollyday in spain ech year and the al queda bombs western targets >I do not find that I have problems with freedom of speech - I do think >that woman have the same rights as me >I dont want to force feed "them" anything - I they are just as stupid >after 300 years behind closed doors then fine with me but please do not >force me to deal with individuals who totally lack respect for what I >stand for. >I think that blaming USA for all evil is far out and I think that so >much good has happend because of the USA >You can vote - you can get your neigbour to vote - you can stop ignoring >homless people - you can accept paying more taxes and get better welfare >- you are a part of a great nation and have a responsibility to keep on >making it a greater nation - but only because you are a part of a free world >What is by the way wrong in sharing that with other nations >Your current president may be a jerk but if it had not been for USA the >whole world would either been Nazi or Communist >You should be damn proud of that and you should be proud that you live >in a part of the world were if you really want you can make a difference > > > >-- >To unsubscribe, see http://mejac.palo-alto.ca.us/leica-users/unsub.html > >-- >To unsubscribe, see http://mejac.palo-alto.ca.us/leica-users/unsub.html > > > - -- To unsubscribe, see http://mejac.palo-alto.ca.us/leica-users/unsub.html