Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2003/11/08
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]I think you're beginning to loose it here, Eric. I simply mentioned that Salgado uses a lot of burning and dodging - effects which were deemed to be untruthful in another context. If you want to argue about the degree, that's OK. But that doesn't mean that no manipulation was used. But I can see that your very considerable animus against me has taken the upper hand. According to you I do not and never will understand anything. I haven't actually said that about you, but it's clear that politeness is not a value on the LUG, I've now experienced personal attacks from you, BD and Tina (the latter was the most surprising). Your next post suggests that I am critical of Salgado for any number of completely extraneous (i.e. non-photographic) reasons. My argument would be quite different, and has nothing to do with Salgado personally. However it seems that you can only argue in the personal mode, so let's drop it. I do hope you don't go in for this kind of bullying at your thousand year old journalism school. - -- Rob http://robertappleby.com phone (+39) 348 336 7990 Quoting Eric Welch <eric@jphotog.com>: > Which only goes to show you still don't understand the fundamental basis of > our argument. The straw man once again makes an appearance. We have no > problem with dodging and burning. Anyone who thinks we do is not paying > attention. Yes, dodging and burning can go too far. The hand of God is > passé, and looks cheesy. But it doesn't deceive in its classic use, where it > is obvious. Thus it is not unethical, just poor technique. When it becomes > deceptive, then it is not ethical. Salgado doesn't use dodging and burning > is such crude style. His work is of a very high order. And perfectly > appropriate. > > On Nov 7, 2003, at 9:50 PM, Rob Appleby wrote: > > So maybe you could acknowledge that you were wrong in attacking me for my > statement about Salgado? No, I doubt it. > > > Eric Welch Carlsbad, CA http://www.jphotog.com > > The Arnaud Amaury, the Papal Legate and Abbot of Citeaux, directed the seige > of Beziers in July of 1209 as part of the Albigentsian Crusade. The Catholic > Bishop of Beziers had refused a demand to give up the Cathar heretics within > the town. Thereupon the crusaders' general, Simon de Montfort, took the town > and asked Amaury how to distinguish between the heretics and the faithful, > in response to which the Abbot gave his famous order, "Kill them all, for > the Lord will know his own." De Montfort then killed every living being in > Beziers -- some reports say 60,000 souls -- before burning the city and > reducing it to rubble. > > > -- > To unsubscribe, see http://mejac.palo-alto.ca.us/leica-users/unsub.html > - -- To unsubscribe, see http://mejac.palo-alto.ca.us/leica-users/unsub.html