Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2003/10/30

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Subject: Re: [Leica] something something and now animals
From: John Collier <jbcollier@shaw.ca>
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 16:44:48 -0700

That is pretty much how I feel too. I brought this up because it is 
important that the cost is considered as well as the benefits.

John Collier

On Thursday, October 30, 2003, at 02:21 PM, Barney Quinn wrote:

> John,
>
> Yes there are. I make a real distinction between using animals in 
> research
> which has a chance of doing some real medical good, and using animals 
> for
> research which is far more trivial in nature. I would, for instance, 
> very
> strongly oppose using animals to help develop a new lotion which gives 
> people
> an artifical tan. I also strongly believe that in cases where some or 
> all of
> the work can be done using computer simulations or other testing 
> methods then
> that is what should be done.
>
> Barney
>
> John Collier wrote:
>
>> I would tend to agree, based on the facts you have given, that PETA 
>> and
>> others are going too far in this case. However you also have to
>> remember there are many horrific stories on the other side as well.
>>
>> John Collier
>>
>> On Thursday, October 30, 2003, at 12:41 PM, Barney Quinn wrote:
>>
>>>> I welcome the pressure PETA and others
>>>> have put on the scientific and cosmetic industries to improve their
>>>> practices. I also agree that, as with all radicals, PETA and others
>>>> often go to far.
>>>
>>> I have a friend. My friend has two Doctor's level degrees. This 
>>> person
>>> is a
>>> very high level medical researcher, internationally known, Ivy 
>>> league,
>>> Nobel
>>> prize material. The work this person does involves animals. PETA and
>>> similar
>>> groups have, for years, made life for this person a living hell. 
>>> There
>>> have
>>> been times when getting in and out of the lab has been impossible. 
>>> This
>>> individuals home has been picketed, and familly members have been
>>> harrassed
>>> with out mercy, particularly the children. I find what has been done
>>> to these
>>> people totally inappropriate, outrageous, and counter productive. It
>>> has not
>>> done one single thing to help animals, and it has cost these groups 
>>> the
>>> support of everyone who has had to watch what has been done to this
>>> family
>>> while they were trying to support them. If you are opposed to cruelty
>>> then I
>>> think that you have to be consistant about it. If you have never been
>>> on the
>>> other side of these tactics it may be impossible for you to 
>>> understand
>>> what
>>> they actually do to people.
>>
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